A rare inside view of the Misa/Atman cult organisation.

 

As previously published on ExMisa under: The facade painted outside, but only garbage inside!

Following the revelations about sexual exploitation and abuse at MISA/ATMAN, both as a result of the official investigation that led to the arrest of the organization's leaders, as well as the testimonies of the victims broadcast in the media, more and more of the hidden miseries in the sect's underground are coming to light. Some sources even from within it have begun to "leak" evidence about the huge difference between the "divine" image, painted externally by MISA through false propaganda, and the disastrous moral state in reality which, as will be seen below, is secretly recognized even by its leaders.

We now have the opportunity, for the first time on the planet, to take a look into the "deep occult circles", forbidden to ordinary students, starting from a recording of a meeting with the Tantra instructors of ATMAN, leaked by someone from the inside, an "insider" or "whistleblower". In this case, it can be said that the "whistleblower" really blew the whistle in the church.

In politics, there is talk of the "Deep State"; in MISA, there is a "Deep Sect", "a swamp full of crocodiles" that urgently needs to be cleaned up”, as the guru himself once said.

In 2013, Mihai Stoian, the coordinator of yoga and Tantra courses in the ATMAN federation, held a conference with international participation, entitled "Integration of tantric path in our school", but which should have been more appropriately entitled "Disintegration of our school through the pursuit of the tantric path"... In this presentation, very different from what is usually heard at MISA, Stoian chirped out some very interesting things. We knew them or suspected them, but it's another thing to hear them from the mouths of those who, in public, only utter hymns of praise to gurus and triumphalist speeches.

M. Stoian:

A few years ago I was talking with Grieg about the way the tantric path is integrated in our school. But what was shocking for me was the end of the talk because in the end after I was putting the questions, he was answering. It was a Shiva-Shakti dialogue.

I was shocked that they were coming like that because they were views that I thought that it couldn't be like that because we must have seen that. And then he was confirming we were the one blind. But anyway, in the end I asked him why we never heard about these things, why there was no talk about these things. And his answer was for me, at least, shocking. He said like that:

”because nobody ever asked me!” So the fact that nobody was putting such a question showed me that there is something generally in us that prevents us to have a larger view. And that stays as a background for a while.

At MISA, questions are not asked about many things. First of all, fundamental questions about the spiritual path are missing for a very simple reason: achievements on the spiritual path are missing! If you have not yet stepped on the path, how can you ask questions about something you have not seen or cannot even imagine that it exists?

But there is another big problem at MISA: questions are not asked about what is seen either!

About the contradiction between words and facts, between what is preached and what is practiced, between what is said and what is done! At MISA, something is shown on the outside that is not there, but what is inside is hidden!

(details in the series of articles on the blog "The Absolute Liar": part 1 🔗, part 2 🔗)

At MISA, questions that cannot be asked are expected, but obvious ones that should be asked are discouraged!

At MISA, the questions that are obvious and should be asked are called "venomous gossip" and "demonic doubts":

Bivolaru:

In case you face an attempt of hunting or of deviation out off the spiritual path, do not hesitate to unmask their intentions, so that they would be determined to expose publicly the aberrances and frames-up they are trying to poison your being with, seeding into you the cockle of evilness and of different demoniac doubts. Refuse becoming their accomplice and ask these fellows why they don’t have the courage to write us personally about these “spicy” villainies they spread “in the corners” cheekily. Doing like this each of you will help to the drainage and even to the clearness of this school of such poisonous “brushwood”, which paradoxically keep on coming to these course vainly, being only with their body, but who assume the grim mission of tormenting the souls and of seeding into your being the terrible poisons they manifest with gall and cheek through their being. Through such malefic actions, they generate occult processes of resonance with the infernal realms. (source)

Obviously, Bivolaru and the MISA leaders never had any intention of admitting the miseries inside MISA, and in fact, they always denied them vehemently! Whenever the press talked about pornographic films and video chats, about group sex and mutual urine consumption, the sect leaders vehemently denied it publicly, only for all of this to come true (see the previously mentioned articles about the “Absolute Liar”). The leaders were the ones who promoted these practices in secret, and the followers were made to swear to keep this secret; when the secret nevertheless leaks out, the followers are made to deny and lie. Moreover, MISA propaganda howled against those who revealed the secrets inside MISA, and even actions were taken against them, although the followers knew that the facts revealed were happening in reality and that the informants were right!

So the reasons why the serious questions that should be asked have not been asked and are not being asked of MISA are the following:

➢ it is known that immoral acts actually happen, and many even participate in them

➢ these acts would be vehemently denied anyway, despite the evidence, even in front of those who take part in them

➢ those who would demand explanations regarding these acts would be declared "gossipers who spread slander and demonic doubts"

➢ the boss of those who deny the evidence is the guru himself, who uses both the threat of hell and his authority over followers who show an attitude of acceptance and justification of immoral actions: "the spiritual guide knows better why he does this"

➢ the immoral acts that are nevertheless admitted are blamed on ordinary students and not on the leaders

MISA followers are discouraged by the guru from asking disturbing questions, but the guru still complains that no questions are asked! But the great spiritual hero Stoian plucks up courage and expresses these questions on behalf of everyone else:

M. Stoian:

Recently I had a discussion, I would say as fundamental, but not regarding the spiritual path as such, but organizing the school or how we are as a school, how we are coordinating the schools and the way we should take responsibilities in such a spiritual school.

What I realized is that there are some elements that we tend in most of the schools today to deviate from the initial, let's say, direction. The main things that I want to point out is the attitude towards the spiritual guide, the attitude to take responsibility on the spiritual path, to take responsibility as a coordinator, as a teacher and so on, and understanding what means the state of spiritual relay or a divine channel.  These three things I find out the most damaged or biased by a process of deviation that appeared in time. 

I'm saying this because even at this level there are a lot of misunderstandings and I saw already in Romania the process is more advanced of degenerating this initial purpose, but also here we saw a lot of tendencies that appear, and we have to be aware of, forgetting practically the initial purpose of a school and then starting to become, without wanting this, a sect, a structure with sectarian tendencies, in the bad way of the word, because the word sect means also just a group of people who split from the initial direction and has their own opinion and so on, but we tend to be that thing that actually we are accused of. 

How much Bivolaru and his acolytes struggled to deny that MISA is a sect and to prove the opposite! A book was written specifically for this, the ”innocence certificate” received in Sweden is always waved, MISA sends a straight reply whenever it is called a sect in the media, and now Stoian comes and whistles in the Church! Saying the word "sect" at MISA is like talking about the rope in the hanged man's house or "sexual abuse" in the arrested guru's house!

So it's no surprise that Stoian took a few hits directly from Guru:

quote: For Mihai Stoian, sometimes known as Advaitananda – we will also implore for him the mysterious help of God the Father to become aware of and annihilate some of his Machiavellian attitudes or those that highlight Jesuitism. (link)

In Romania, the degeneration process is more pronounced, because indoctrination is stronger. Propaganda is carried out primarily in Romanian, the native language of the founder and the first leaders, and only then (only) some materials are translated into the languages ​​of the other countries where ATMAN operates. Often, a selection (read "censorship") of these

materials is carried out, precisely because it is known that Westerners are more reluctant to blatant propaganda, they do not believe in promises (they do not believe until they see), which is a consequence of the pragmatic capitalist way of acting:

"first I see the product or the guarantee and then I buy!"

In the post-communist Romanian society, indoctrination or fooling with empty words is a consequence of the situation from the past decades, where there is already a reflex to believe anything, without questions, as well as the fear of asking questions that could be considered disturbing. Obviously, this means that the indoctrination comes primarily from the sect's leaders and activists, but it is true that it succeeds more easily due to this reflex of those in Romania to accept without asking questions, created during the decades of communism.

M. Stoian:

One element that is very clear, and I will refer to because it clearly showed by the investigation that I have made and by the questions I put to Grieg, is the following. The spiritual guide is giving some directions, or we can say guidelines, because he is the guide, but we need in a spiritual school a layer, a department, a level of people who are taking the guidelines and make them practical decisions in the daily life. So, you see, here I proposed, and Grieg liked very much this view, of the universal structure and the angelic hierarchies. You see, God is issuing one guideline, one guiding principle, the universal, absolute, unique principle. 

Now, each human being, for instance, is not receiving just one principle and one decision from God. No, he is receiving a lot of principles, laws, guidelines in the daily life. Now, these are coming from the unique principle of God, given life, spiritual life, by each angelic hierarchy, multiplying it, but never contradicting the unique principle. So, in other words, the unique principle becomes many, but never altering the unique principle. 

Now, I'm saying this because this layer, which is taking the unique principle and make it alive with myriads of reflections, but still respecting the initial principle, this layer should exist in a spiritual school, because we have the guide, which is God in the spiritual school, and then the guide is giving some guidelines, very simplified life indications. They cannot become decisions. They shouldn't become decisions. The guide shouldn't give a suggestion, which then it turned, just like that, into a decision. That's a mistake. That's an unacceptable simplification that represents a deviation. It's not even, because when I was speaking with Grieg, I even put the problem the other way around. Will it be correct if you give a guideline, and then we just put it so God-spoken, and that's it, it's becoming a decision? And he said: ”no, that is a deviation. I didn't mean that!”

In fact, ”the Jesuit and Machiavellian sometimes known as Advaitananda", proposes the division of decision-making power:

"You, Grieg, stay in your ivory tower, you can't come out anyway because the police arrest you, you give instructions and we, the "angels", put them into practice as we believe, to get something in turn, because we are tired of being volunteers for 35 years, without benefits!"

And Bivolaru certainly liked the first part - the one with him being "god" and his servants being "angels", but he got all dark when he heard about the "level of intermediaries who will put it into practice": "WE simply talked to you how to practice, not about putting it into practice! You practice and put into practice exactly what WE tell you and how WE tell you!"

 

In fact, this level of intermediaries has appeared in the "school" since the fugitive Bivolaru is no longer personally present at the organization's management, but in spirit and governs through messages, which some say are hidden or distorted by the "intermediaries", which the guru has firmly denied, I quote from the conference ”Morals and Bad Habits” part 3 - August 30, 2021:

"I am writing this message to you in connection with a conversation I had with a classmate [...], who said that although it would seem that, in theory, you are in charge of the yoga school, in reality the Freemasons are in charge of this school. He also mentioned that the correspondence sent to you is also carefully selected by the Freemasons of this spiritual school, which explains the fact that several classmate have sent you unconventional notes related to such subjects, to which they have not received a response."

We would like to point out that there is not yet and will never be a human being who would threaten us with death, to blackmail us, and we would accept such a situation. The statement - also false, idiotic - that the correspondence is carefully selected by the Freemasons is also a big, blatant lie. To urgently identify at least one person who, as he claims in an aberrant way, selects correspondence and then retains it, makes it disappear. [...] He will not be able to find even a single person who does this, for the natural, objective reason that such a thing does not exist. No one, within this school, would dare to indulge, even in a single case, in such an action. He would risk his remaining within this spiritual school, he would be immediately eliminated in a rapid and irrevocable way from among the students of this school.

Here, in this message, Bivolaru denies the existence of a level of intermediaries in MISA. He also denied that there is a decision-making level in MISA that blackmails him and forces him to carry out his orders, as stated in an “open letter from a group of students” accusing MISA leaders of having handed Bivolaru over to the police. The reason why Bivolaru excludes the possibility of someone from the school leadership bypassing the chain of command is “the fear of being expelled from the school” and of permanently losing the chance for spiritual liberation!

Here, Bivolaru thus admits that this fear is what keeps followers trapped in the sect!

This, while MISA strongly claims that in the “school” there is no pressure on the students!

It follows that in MISA there is only an intermediate level of executors! This implies that Bivolaru bears responsibility for what is happening in MISA! He makes it clear that he does not share decision-making power within the sect, although he pretends to the contrary. What does Stoian think about this? I quote:

And the example now, the spring yoga camp in Herculane. We were told, Grieg decided Herculane moved three weeks. Lots of us gave feedback: ”hey, hey, hey, too much!” Grieg said: ”fine then, move it back!” Grieg said, move it back. It's wrong. It's totally wrong. So it shows what? It shows that we don't build an intermediary level, that level which takes a higher principle and bring it down to the next level. And the reason why do we not have such a level in the school? We don't have a layer, a certain layer in the organization of the school is missing. And it's exactly the layer which is capable of taking a guideline and make it thousands of daily decisions. Wise decisions that never contradict the guideline, but still are wise in the daily life. 

Only thing we have now is we take the guideline and we make it an absolute rule.  One of the things that we can see is that we have a very un-nuanced leadership or coordination, which means having a lot of holes. There are a lot of things completely uncovered. Nobody thinks about those things for a very simple reason:

Grieg didn't mention anything about that. So, in other words he has also to do the details. He can't do the details. It's impossible to do the details for everyone, for the whole universe. For this reason we need this kind of layer. This is a very important element. 

Very subtle Stoian but, at the same time, perverse: "we must also have freedom of decision, the Guide cannot make all the decisions!"

But why are so many decisions needed for a simple yoga class? You take a gym, teach yoga according to a clear schedule and "that's it, the lesson is over, whoever wants, let's meet at the next lesson!"

This situation arises because MISA does not teach a simple yoga class as it presents itself on its posters, MISA is an "esoteric spiritual school" that seeks to lead the lives of its students far beyond the yoga class, using the need to continue practicing yoga in their free time. It is a sect disguised behind the screen of practicing yoga!

M. Stoian:

Simplifying the guidelines means mutilating the guidelines. Means deviating from the path. But it's a very subtle deviation. It's the deviation of the fanatics. You know fanatics, they are very dangerous because they are always right in their own little narrow mind perspective. They say always: ”I totally respect word by word what was said. What's your problem?” This is why it is very dangerous. Fanaticism is immediately appearing when such a layer doesn't exist, because the next layer is the fanatics. If the intermediary layer between God and the humans, the angel level doesn't exist, then humans turn into fanatics. No matter what the spiritual guide is saying, they turn it into a tyrannical rule blindly respected because there is no way to judge things in nuances and you cannot get feedback for every single aspect. And this is how tyranny appears, the tyranny of mediocrity, fanaticism and so on. 

Stoian is cunning, but it doesn't work! The analogy doesn't work here because, unlike angels, who are pure and fully conscious beings, the intermediate level in the "yoga school" - the instructors, coordinators, propagandist activists - are simple students who have only a few lessons more than the others, not even being sure that they are more advanced spiritually or morally than their students! And Bivolaru knows that they are all the same, so he doesn't give them the total decision in their hands, using the "Morals and Bad Habits" type conferences to reduce their authority, keep them in the place where he put them and control them.

So who is the "intermediate level" that Stoian is talking about? Obviously, it can't be anyone, only those with "spiritual achievements", but these are simple statements, often the result of imagination, which cannot be quantified, measured and proven!

"We want to be equal, but not with the puppies, but with the big dogs!"

Then, pronouncing the words "fanatic" and "fanaticism" in MISA is worse than pronouncing the word "sect", because when talking about the sect, it refers only to the attacks of enemies from outside who called MISA a "sect", while fanaticism is an attitude from within, which directs attention to the situation within the organization, which is not wanted at all! Here Stoian really played with fire and got burned!

Next, Stoian further clarifies his position, addressing the issue of relations with society:

 

This is the difficult element that most of the people don't understand: a spiritual school is much more than just a collection of courses. A spiritual school is a solid platform of thousands of daily decisions, that all of them they have to be wise respecting the few spiritual guidelines that are coming from the spiritual guide and yet they form a solid platform where everyone can walk without falling.

A spiritual platform is formed by courses, by interaction with society, by all kind of small talks lectures, workshops an environment that you create ashrams, semi-ashrams, spiritual communities that are inspired by us and so on. It's a huge platform, in fact, a spiritual school. The strange thing is that we don't have that. So the strange thing is that we are supposed to be such a platform.

This I already clarified several times with Grieg because there are two fundamentally different directions:

- a spiritual community can be an elite group and then we really don't bother to connect with anyone else. We are putting the almost the selection very high. If you fit with all our rules with all our principles and so on then you are welcome to stay here with us. If you don't fit, get out. We don't care to accommodate you. Then we should not keep an open door. We should not keep classes. We should just... we don't try to educate the world. We try to educate the chosen ones. 

- the second alternative is we keep classes. If we keep classes, we educate. If we educate, we have to be an open system. We can't be a closed system pretending we do classes, which is what we are trying desperately today in some cases, even with very bad results. If we want to implement these teachings in the masses, we have to have a certain strategy. 

Obviously, MISA, pushed from behind by the guru, has arrogated to itself the mission of spiritual education of humanity 🔗. The question is who gives them the right to undertake such a "missionary" activity? Nobody, they simply called themselves "God's messengers", which means that they claim to fulfil "God's will", meaning they do what is right and are beyond any criticism and doubt, and everyone else is ignorant who must blindly follow them! And how is this mission of spiritual upliftment of humanity going? Stoian says that it is not going very well:

So the guideline is given, but we don't respect it because many of our actions are antisocial. We isolate ourselves. We become secluded, we become an enclave of yogis with victim mentality typical for an enclave which is isolating with tendencies, sectarian and fanatic tendencies typical for those who don't want to interact with each other. An elitism or an elite attitude: ”We are the best. Nobody is like us. Unlike us, nobody is...” and so on. These are typical rhetorics for people who don't want to be part of the world.

And who generated this sectarian isolation of the "there's no one like us" type? Bivolaru with his "world premiere revelations", with the claim that MISA is the only authentic school, which holds the fundamental esoteric keys 🔗. Here's how it is with others,

in Stoian's opinion:

Now of course, there is a contradiction here because we want to go to build a school, but our message is ”go away from us, we don't want you here”. Poor service, for instance. We don't care what we offer the others. Well, we should care. Not to the level where we compromise the message and that's where the task becomes really challenging. But still, this is the reason why we need a transmission, as they put it in other spiritual schools, because we are not the one inventing the notion of spiritual schools. In other spiritual schools, they have the lineage. A lineage is a continuous line not only from a master to a master, but from a master to three or four which are second in command, so to speak or a group of advanced disciples that are coordinated by the second in command and so on. So it's an entire natural hierarchy that appears there, that is covering the distance between the level of the spiritual guide and the level of the first year student. It covers all the distance. 

As we can see, for instance, in our school, we have a very interesting situation. We have a kind of a flat group, that has the spiritual guide as an extremely, extremely, extremely tall point, and all the rest is almost flat with a little bit of bumps here and there, a little taller, but generally speaking, quite flat. And that is, as a result, becoming just an inertial mass that cannot move anywhere. And of course, in which all the guidelines just, as I said, become oppressive things. 

First of all, MISA does not come from a spiritual lineage as MISA has recently arrogated to itself 🔗, claiming to be from a spiritual line whose last master was a century ago! Bivolaru had no master, "except the Absolute"...

Then, at some point a group of advanced students appeared, the "second level of command", but Bivolaru took care to chase them away or put them on the dead line! Dead line which is the very spiritual line of MISA...

 

"The disintegration of our school by following the tantric path"

In the first part of his speech at a meeting with Tantra instructors from the ATMAN federation, in February 2013, Stoian spoke about the sectarian spirit and fanaticism that has developed within the federation, especially in Romania, as well as the lack at the top of a level of instructors who can make wise decisions on their own, which leads to the rigid application and even imposition in the federation of the “guiding lines” drawn by the spiritual guide, Gregorian “Grieg” Bivolaru.

Now, Stoian begins to analyse the individual attitudes of the instructors and followers in the “school”:

But the interesting fact is that we constantly tend to build walls around our schools, not because we try to consciously do something like a sect, but simply because we do not practice enough, we do not have, let's say different levels of realization and, because of that, because it doesn't appear much of a difference, all the people tend to put together all their efforts to create a wall so that they are not so vulnerable to all kinds of tendencies from the society.

I saw many of our people who are coordinators and they are a shame, I wouldn't consider myself being represented by them. And many of the students are saying that ”well, I hope you will not get in front because, look, it's a shame. I mean, you don't know how to talk. You are strange. You are autistic. You are out of date. You don't know what happens around you in the world. It's strange. If you go there and you want to represent the school, we will be all ashamed. It will not be a representative image. 

Now, I'm not saying that we should play for the image. I'm just observing one thing: we're not following that person! 

So, the great coordinator of the courses abroad of the great federation that claims to be the spiritual light of humanity, declares that there are a lot of coordinators and instructors who are not only unprepared, but appear pitiful even to ordinary students!

But then why were they admitted to those positions? There are so many training and advanced courses, so many exams and tests are given for admission to these positions, so much fuss is made about it. Maybe some of the pitiful ones received their diplomas from the very hands of the one who complains about this situation! (as you can see this video) If they weren't suitable, why were they admitted? Simple: the interest is to have as many courses open everywhere as possible, as many followers (and especially female followers), to have the money flow and fresh meat come to Paris, without limits! And to have as many courses as possible, they need as many instructors as possible, no matter how embarrassing they are!

It's clear how embarrassing these second-tier instructors are, who read cheap lectures stolen from the internet on MisaTV, in fact, just like their guru did before he was arrested.

M. Stoian:

Well, that's not the example that we have learned from Grieg. [...] The teachers in Romania, especially the ones which were... they knew Grieg very well, I reminded them that Grieg is a person who is very well integrated in the society in his own way. Integrated in that way that will transform everything. But simply, Grieg is not an autist, as many of the teachers display, a spiritual autism that is worrying, almost. Such people, if they go in a normal society, they are the last one there. They will not shine, so to speak. They will be losers. Well, Grieg didn't display that thing. I have seen Grieg in situations talking with people, integrating with politicians with people from different levels of the administration, every person that met him they were charmed, they were happy they met him. 

Not everyone who knew him was thrilled. For example, the women victims of sexual abuse, who came to know him in the ”biblical meaning”, were not thrilled at all! And neither were the former students, who are much more numerous than those who remained, who left MISA precisely because they saw the true face of the scoundrel and understood that the way he "relate" to people is actually the hissing of a snake hypnotizing its prey.

Considering that today's instructors, from the second level, do exactly what the guru did before his arrest, it follows that this is actually the MISA level, although the guru's servants claim the opposite:

M. Stoian:

Exactly those who are claiming they are following Grieg they are the worst in following. I mean, they don't respect any of these kind of attitudes that Grieg is displaying. They are fanatics. They are autistic. Most of them are not having almost any spiritual realization. And then, of course, the question is how do you follow the spiritual guide? Because the spiritual guide, first of all, you follow by your realizations, which are following his example. That's the basic and the most important way of following him. 

But "those who claim to follow Grieg" and who, according to Stoian, "are the worst at following him", are actually the vast majority of MISA students, as its websites, the Encyclopedia of Spiritual Achievements and even the "guide" say! I quote from the official MISA website:

This exceptional spiritual capacity through which Bodhaka spiritual guides mediate direct spiritual knowledge for sincere and open aspirants is called the “direct transfer of Divine Power” (shaktipata) and is described as a “secret and holy communion” from the spiritual heart of the Spiritual Guide, which is united in the Heart of God, to the spiritual heart of the prepared and sincere aspirant. The fact that the spiritual mentor of our yoga school is a spiritual guide of this category has been confirmed over the years by the testimonies of thousands of participants in this type of spiritual exemplification.

(source)

 

"Thousands of students have authenticated through their testimonies that Bivolaru is an accomplished master and that MISA is an authentic spiritual school."

"In their turn," both Bivolaru and MISA authenticate their students! They authenticate each other. "One hand washes the other" and even more, "one hand supports the other"! In short, a handling!

So the thousands of students who follow the "Guide" with great devotion because they "felt it through direct experience" are actually "the worst, they are autistic fanatics," according to Advaita Stoian, who accidentally hit the mark here, because only fanatics disconnected from reality would follow such an impostor.

Bivolaru:

There are thousands of exceptional proofs that will be enclosed in the ”GREAT ENCYCLOPEDIA of the SPIRITUAL OUTCOME” which is going to be printed soon. (archived)

MISA:

The thousands of testimonies of those who practice yoga correctly and perseveringly according to this methodology prove beyond doubt its authenticity and effectiveness, and also explain why people have continued to practice yoga at MISA for over 30 years. (archived)

Bivolaru and MISA say that the thousands of practitioners are ”full of” spiritual achievements, Stoian says that they are "lack of", which is again true, because hallucinations and overflowing imagination are not spiritual achievements!

from the audience: Like it's more easy to have the spiritual guide that tells you in order to be spiritual you should do this and this. And people like these kind of things because then it's more easy than to think for yourself.

Stoian: It's more easy but it's not in our school. Here we're talking between the teachers. This doesn't belong to our school. This is a deviation. And we should label it as such. But we should clearly stamp it as it is. It's a deviation, this attitude of asking for the things that we are supposed to know. 

One of the things that I hear Grieg saying most often is this:

”Look, people are asking questions they should answer themselves. If it was correct that these people are asking all these questions, he would say ”See, they're asking questions. Why don't you ask questions? Why do you never ask questions? You think you are smart? You think you know everything? You should ask questions! Look, all these people are asking everything.” 

I never heard him saying that. But I heard him complaining all the time about this: ”Look, they are asking all the questions for which they should read the course. The answers are in the course. Why are they asking me all these things? They shouldn't!”

Isn't it?  So, I mean, how do we follow? Are we listening to this person, or are we listening to some fanatic thoughts that we have in our head? Because realistically speaking, this is his message: ”Don't ask me. If you have a fundamental question, fine. And if it's not written in any courses, and if you haven't reached to the level to understand that, you can ask. But otherwise, don't ask. Go and do your practice. Reach to the level you are supposed to be!”  This is his message. Do we follow that? 

 

Because I see people starting to ask more and more questions, more and more silly questions, even asking stupid things. ”Not to be wrong, not to be mistaken!” That's fanaticism. Obviously. No matter what you are saying. It's fanaticism doesn't have anything to do with the following of the spiritual guide. Nothing. Zero. It doesn't exist in that book. 

So, I wanted to make it very clear because I was speaking with him. I asked him, do you want, for instance:

”The Costinești Yoga Camp, is it meant to be a one-man show?” And he said ”No, no! Of course not!” 

”But it is a one-man show! It's only you! Everywhere Grieg, Grieg, Grieg! And if you dare to say anything, then watch out! This is for Grieg! Do you want the website of the Movement to be your website? Let's call it GriegorianBivolaru.com, not YogaEsoteric, because it's only articles from you!” And he said: ”I don't want that. But nobody is writing anything!” 

So, yeah. And I saw it on the Congress now. He sent the lecture and nobody else sent the lecture, at least from Romania. So, it was one-man show because nobody else wanted! And I checked with him:

”Is following means that I give you everything? That I write on my door: ”Grieg”! Grieg 's apartment, Grieg 's school, Grieg 's everything. No, no, it's not mine, it's Grieg 's!” And he said: ”No, it's a mistake, it's fanaticism. It's wrong, even!” 

So, this is something important, because otherwise we go in that kind of direction and we do it terribly wrong.

Bivolaru tells everyone what they want and especially "what they need" to hear! This is how he bewitches and fools everyone, it is the only classic method to penetrate the souls of the naive. "It doesn't have to be just about me, put your mind to work too!", says Bivolaru. But may God have mercy on you from doing anything without his prior consent! Stoian himself received a blow from the "Guide"!

Two years ago, in February 2022, MisaTV broadcast a review by a student of a conference by Stoian from 2013, entitled

"The essential role that the spiritual guide plays in the process of evolution and improvement" (video).

The student, who stated right from the beginning of the review that it would only be made public with the consent of the "spiritual guide", expressed some confused ideas, using quite harsh language, with incitements to violence in places.

Of course Stoian is trying to gain greater freedom of movement, Bivolaru pretends to agree, but secretly works exactly the opposite. This was seen with the first series of “disciples”: after they practically built his school and erected his statue, he expelled or marginalized them, so that only those from the third “decision level” remained, totally devoid of achievements, without any value or talent, servile, Machiavellian and intellectually reduced.

One more observation should be made: in the Press Office’s Response to the producer of the BBC Radio podcast “The Bad Guru”, those from MISA were very outraged by the use of the expression “the spiritual guide of the camp”. However, over a decade ago, “the second level of command in ATMAN”, M. Stoian, says quite outragedly “Camp Costinești is about one man. It’s just you! Everywhere Grieg, Grieg, Grieg!” No surprise that MISA lies all the time and always exposes itself!

 

M.Stoian finds the cause of the fanaticism and yes man attitude at MISA/ATMAN:

So, one element that came out also very clear is the absence of adequate practice, both from quality and from quantity. I was talking with him [Bivolaru] about this aspect, that some of the people who coordinate don't have an overview upon what they are doing there. They do all kind of errors. Authority for instance, they have a wrong authority coming from ego. Some, they don't have compassion enough. And the conclusion was: lack of practice corresponding to the task of a coordinator. As a coordinator of the class, suddenly you need to have a completely different quantity and quality of the practice, to maintain yourself on a completely different level of consciousness. Because this is what creates those levels. A coordinator teacher should have a higher level of consciousness. And when I talk about level, I'm not talking about having some certificates of some states that once you have level, predominant level, from where you never fall. But basically, that we need to have simply results, spiritual results, that are qualifying us for the job that we are supposed to cover. It seems many people in our school who have coordinating tasks don't understand, they have a task which is very big, obviously they are not qualified. Qualification means, for instance, to have the consciousness expanded enough so you can include all the activities.

So, after considering that many regular MISA students have no spiritual achievements, Stoian now states that the coordinators of the yoga courses have no such achievements and are not suitable for their position. But even so, why should they be qualified to spread Bivolaru's teachings? To hand the invitation to "chosen" women to be sexually initiated in Paris by the guru?

No matter how hard they try to be qualified, the primary problem is not the lack of yoga practice, but the failure to respect the Moral Code! Even on the official MISA website it says, and I quote:

These ten principles of conduct must be learned and respected by all aspiring yogis, whether beginners or advanced. They represent the very foundation of our spiritual evolution. Just as a durable house needs a solid foundation, so our spiritual aspirations must be based above all on respect for the ethical and behavioural norms, known in the yogic tradition as Yama and Niyama. Negligence, indulgence in their application, or repeated violation of any of them exposes us to the risk of seeing our spiritual efforts thwarted, just as a house risks collapsing if one of its pillars of resistance is missing or weakened.. 🔗

Well said, but only formally! The practice of moral rules is missing in the first place; without them, the realization of other types of practices only fuels negative attitudes (the “spiritual ego”). The practice of physical or mental exercises cannot make up for the lack of qualities: you do not become better and certainly do not become smarter by practicing exercises, but by improving the soul and mind! Body postures, breathing or herbal powders cannot make a fool become smart!

M. Stoian:

I was talking with Grieg about some decisions that were taken, especially we were talking about the school in Romania, and the way it's coordinated. And I have a list of very clear examples and in all of them, he was saying:

”But this is a deviation, I didn't intend it like that. I didn't meant it like this. Obviously, they didn't understand what I meant. Obviously, they didn't have the level!”

Of course, the ego, the same ego reaction, manifest in two ways. We saw it, for instance, in our international community of schools, we usually saw the opposite direction. Mostly, we saw the rebellion, the anarchic type of ego. In Romania, it's the obedient type of ego, the fanatic type of ego, mostly manifested, because Grieg was more present there. But in here, we see the anarchic one. The anarchic one is exactly as the fanatic, but he is fanatic towards himself: ”Either we do it my way, or the highway!” People are not respecting guidelines. If you try to give them a guideline, the typical reaction is ”I don't understand!” It is nothing to understand, it's a guideline! You just have to apply it! ”No, I don't understand!” And that's it, it dies there. They don't understand, and they will do as a consequence, what they want. And this is what we see, many coordinators, many teachers, tend to do in the ATMAN schools. This is the classic thing. Some of them, who reach to a level of complexity of their spiritual ego, they are even hypocritical and say:

”I'm doing exactly as Grieg is saying!”, and in reality, they are doing exactly as they want. And if you try to put these two things near, what they do and what Grieg was giving the guideline, sometimes there's even contradictions. Some people teaching, apparently, what Grieg was wanting them to teach, and then, fundamentally, contradicting Grieg's teachings. And you end up in the strange situation that you claim to follow the master, and in reality, you go against the master.

Now, this is what happened with people who were falling off the path. One day, they met the guide himself, who was saying ”go the other way around!” And suddenly, the guide was crazy: ”He was strange. Why would he suddenly change his mind? I was just following him until today, and suddenly, he showed me the other direction. He's strange!” 

"In Romania they are fanatics, in the West they are anarchists!" This is really visible and natural: those in Romania, with the attitude of unquestioning obedience, servile out of fear of making mistakes, which comes from communism (MISA Press Office); those in the West show initiative, are not used to receiving orders, they rebel if the instructions come against what they consider (the "dissidents" Narcis Tarcău, Virgil Cătălin Călin (article 1, article 2), even some flashes of independence from Stoian!)

As for the "Crazy, Twisting Guide", it is clear that he expressed or acted contradictory in many situations, depending on his purposes, including through lying (article part 1, part 2) then he blamed these "apparent contradictions" on others! The simplest examples are those in which Bivolaru violated the rules of the Moral Code (truth, non-theft, modesty, non-accumulation), as well as the principles of tantric love (love, dedication, tenderness), which he also preaches loudly and which he claims to respect!

M. Stoian:

One of the thing that appears – and is very bad – is the fear that appears for the spiritual guide because, of course, we tend to deviate to enter this conflictual situation and, in subconscious, we don't realize that we are in a conflict and, as a result, we are afraid of the feedback or guidelines that are coming from the spiritual guide. The guidelines, of course, will tend to conflict our way of seeing the things and so on. There are two reactions we have noticed predominantly here:

- Some become fanatics. Simply they give up artificially, totally, but not unconditionally. They give up any personal opinion. They don't dare to have a personal opinion and because of that, they just sit there asking every detail from the spiritual guide. Thus, he's carrying all the responsibility. He cannot say ”well, why did you do that?”, because the answer comes immediately: ”You told me to do that, so it's your problem. Don't ask me why did I do that!” This is one typical reaction, which is an ego reaction, obviously, and it turns into fanaticism. 

- The other kind of fanaticism is those who simply do not do anything, do not have any initiative. They practically do nothing. It's better to do nothing and of course, apparently, you don't have reason to be criticized or you don't have reason to be punished than to do something and have a lot of reasons. This kind of fear, of course, paralyzes the whole system and it is a defensive attitude that shows the incapacity to follow.

A spiritual guide is not followed by such people. A spiritual guide is followed by the people who has initiative and the initiative is carefully following the guidelines that are offered. And these are harmonious like this. But unfortunately, these two options are covering, in my opinion, 80% of all the options that we have today. I've seen very little initiatives today that are harmoniously balancing guidelines and this life situations. We tend massively, let's say, not so prominent, but we have signs. We tend towards one of the two options, anarchy or fanaticism. And of course, this fear of the spiritual guide is making worse by the fight for power between the different teachers, different fractions of the schools, different schools and so on. That fight for power is a result of such a defensive attitude. As at a certain point, at this point, Grieg commented:

”This is the attitude of as one have in front of a Mafia boss that can shoot you in the head whenever he wants.” Or he also said ”that it is like in the Secret Service that you can be punished every time that things go wrong, even if it was not your job!” So that everyone fears everyone. But of course, it shows that is not an integration in the spiritual school. 

On August 1, 2013, a message allegedly from some yogis from ashrams appeared on the old blog of MISA's former lawyer Rapcea, in which they denounced the abuses and the atmosphere of fear in these "yogi houses", reproduced in a post titled

"There is no spiritual evolution through fear! About the shocking drama of the yogis from the MISA ashrams" (archived).

A response from the MISA leadership to the press immediately appeared (archived), followed by a message to the students, which was also read in front of the participants in the yoga classes, in the classrooms (archived). It should be noted that this conference by Stoian which is analysed in this post took place a few months before the appearance of this anonymous message denouncing the fear inside MISA.

Later, after Bivolaru was arrested in Paris and extradited to Romania, an open letter appeared and reached the press, denouncing the betrayal of the school's leadership, which allegedly took power and sold the "innocent guide" to the police (Romaniam press article 🔗).

And then, the "angels" immediately jumped in with denial. There is trouble in paradise! In the spiritual school, where everything is presented to the public as divine, the second level of decision-making which, according to the analogy, should have been like angels (see part 1), behaves like demons! That's what Stoian says, but the "Guide" has always vehemently denied this, although he himself, on other occasions, has attacked them through public conferences like "Morals and Bad Habits"!

During the 2020 summer yoga camp, at the end of August, Stoian had been warned by Bivolaru that he had manifestations of Jesuitism and Machiavellianism:

For Mihai Ian Stoian, sometimes also known as Advaitananda, we will also implore for him the mysterious help of God the Father to become aware of and annihilate some of his Machiavellian attitudes or those that highlight Jesuitism. (archived)

In an audio message broadcast almost a month later, Stoian admitted this and sent to MisaTV a Mea Culpa-type confessional audio message (audio). This shows an attitude of servility and flattery, although Stoian himself criticizes the servility within MISA/ATMAN. It can be seen that Stoian criticizes the servility of the school leadership in Romania, then takes it from the guru. The message is that ATMAN teachers must listen and execute orders with servility. Personal initiative is not accepted, although Bivolaru claims to encourage it.

When a year later, during the yoga summer camp in 2021, Bivolaru was sent a message claiming that the "freemasons" in the school's leadership were undermining him, he firmly rejected this claim, defending the MISA leadership (see part 1). With this statement, he exposed himself as being in complete control of the organization, as he stated that he would expel from the school anyone who dared to interfere with the transmission of instructions.

Although MISA/ATMAN swears that Bivolaru no longer has a decision-making role in the federation 🔗 and that he is only the author of the yoga course that was "developed" long ago, here Stoian contradicts this lie sold to the media and the judiciary and exposes the one who is actually the Mafia Godfather of the organization and who believes himself to be "God the Father".

In private discussions, Bivolaru tells everyone a different version, pretending to agree with each one, but when the versions are confronted, they appear to be contradictory. Divide et impera, this is the Machiavellian Bivolaru's mode of action.

 

We continue the analysis of M. Stoian's speech from the meeting with the instructors, entitled "Integrating the Tantric Path into Our School". After analyzing the sectarian attitude within the school in part 1, and speaking in part 2 about the servile and anarchic fanaticism manifested by the instructors and coordinators, Stoian continues with the analysis of another attitude: the state of formalism and passive execution of "guidelines coming from the spiritual guide", which many of the instructors and coordinators of the MISA/ATMAN courses manifest.

M. Stoian:

Now, another element that we should also point out here is the tendency to ask for absolutely everything from the spiritual guide or from the coordinator, because it's exactly the same attitude that is transmitted, I noticed, for instance, those who have a healthy attitude, the people that are working with them, they also tend to have the same healthy attitude and so on; those who are fanatic towards Grieg, their students become fanatic towards them, of course, because they cannot learn from other attitude. So it is this tendency ”nothing moves without Grieg's approval”. And they have it sometimes in Romania quite, they almost write it on the wall. 

But also I saw it here, there was a little bit of this tendency as a reply to the anarchy tendency that existed a lot here in Denmark. In other places, there is also the tendency to go towards that, which is wrong. Grieg never wanted this. I checked with him, he said:

”No, no, I want you to have harmonious initiatives, to be full of initiative and creativity, to have impact in the society. You don't have to ask me every time you try to think of something, oh, is it good like that? Oh, can I do that? Do it, do it and carry the responsibility of what you're doing. You know the guidelines. Why are you asking?” 

The question always comes with, how to say, an underlayer of hypocrisy. You want to give him also the responsibility, which is hypocritical. At least we should say clearly: ”Look, I want to do that, but honestly speaking, I'm afraid I will be criticized.

So why don't you take the responsibility for that? I mean, I'm not the kind of responsible person I can assume such a decision?” That's more honest.  But there are a lot of hypocrites which are writing to him saying:  ”I'm planning to do this project, what you say?” Come on, you know the principles. You know exactly what should such a project do and what should such a project not do. Do it! And if you did break some of these guidelines, you carry the full responsibility, of course! And you will learn from that, even from a very harsh feedback from him, if it comes! But when you write this, you hypocritically try to blame him for this:

”Well, you said that!” 

And unfortunately, the drama is nobody can, for instance, explain the project of a school in smallest details. So when he signed there the paper, ”yes, you can do that!”, he didn't sign for all the idiotic things you might do there. And what I have noticed, and it's extremely severe, is that people with such a signature, they think that signature endorsed all the stupid things they are doing there. And they are doing then plenty of the stupid things because they are careless. 

”Grieg said we can do it!” No, Grieg said you can do it as a principle, but you are responsible for all the other things that you are doing there. All the details! Then of course, having said that: ”Why are you asking? What's your problem? Do it anyway. Do the things. Carry the responsibility!”  I've never heard Grieg saying ”you should ask me!” He said ”do a consecration!” This I heard him. But I never heard him saying ”ask me if you want to do something!” Which shows exactly this thing, that we are going in the wrong direction as an attitude, as a coordinator, and so on. 

Why do some people only act if they “received a paper from Grieg”? Because when they or others acted on their own initiative they immediately received a “feedback” that burned them! So everyone says to themselves:

“THEY get the benefits and I only get the damages, even though I’ve been a volunteer for decades and haven’t had any benefits! When I have personal successes, there are praises, but the school takes the credit! But if I screw up, often against my will, I’m the only one to blame, even though I did what I WAS TOLD!” So ​​they give up! We remember that when former advanced students left the school in 2007 with a scandal, they denounced the fact that some students ended up with criminal cases for illegalities they committed because they were told so by the guru or the school management! I quote:

We have decided to withdraw from these courses as a final gesture of protest against the situation that has persisted for a long time within MISA and for which Grieg is responsible. We have been made by Grieg to do strange things or to close our eyes to certain aspects or to tacitly tolerate situations created by Grieg and which have nothing to do with the original doctrine of this school. Grieg knows and relies on the fact that we will not be able to say those things that could harm innocent people whose only mistake was that they accepted the compromise of swearing not to speak (because Grieg asked them to) and did some things, just because Grieg told them to do them, without knowing what they were exposing themselves to.

We all know that there are many accused in criminal cases and their only fault is that they did what Grieg told them to do, who assured them that everything was spiritual and under his protection. Other people were encouraged to lie to defend him or to justify delicate or embarrassing situations (for example, the homage show at Polyvallent Hall)

[Note: After the tribute show on March 12, 2002 of Bivolaru's anniversary, there was a criminal investigation because, among the naked adults who performed in a theater play with pornographic scenes, there was also a minor girl, see min3:sec26 of this video 🔗. At that time, it was said that, at the instigation of the MISA leadership, a female adult student of very small stature falsely declared that she had been in the incriminated scene].

What is most serious and which can no longer be tolerated by a person with common sense and intelligence is that Grieg makes people violate the truth and makes them partners in the lie so that later, being accomplices, they support each other. 

(archived statenment)

"I drew your guidelines, but if you get caught, I don't know anything, I didn't make you do anything, it's only written in general terms on paper, you had the initiative, you decided how to proceed, your job!" Of course, the servants should have had discernment and noticed that moral principles were being violated, and the clearest alarm signal is that they are asked to swear not to reveal anything they come to know, even though they don't know in advance what they are swearing for!

Bivolaru blamed the others in front of the French court: "The women came to me on their own initiative" (how did they know where he was hiding?), "the women suddenly felt the need to make love with me" 🔗 (and why did he accept?), "they received an affirmative answer to the consecration for making love" 🔗, so "God" approved, he did what the lord wanted, therefore it is "God's" fault! So Bivolaru wants the "guidelines" to be carried out, but he does not assume responsibility for them.

M. Stoian:

Of course, the zealots and the fanatics to this point says: ”Oh, you mean we shouldn't ask Grieg anything?” Well, only a fanatic can think like that. I'm just saying: when you lack guidelines, of course, because you know everything that is said until now, there is something new, go to the master and ask him: ”Hey, I am in a new territory here. Where should I go?” And then he show you the guideline. 

"If you don't know what to do, ask the master and he will tell you! But if you get into trouble, the master never told you to do such a thing!"

M. Stoian:

Now, this is leading to formalism and instead of us being participants to this project, we are just organizers. And the difference between an organizer and a participant to the project is that the organizer plays in the other team. The organizer is the representative of Satan. The participant is the representative of God. That's the minor fundamental difference. He [Grieg] underlined it by reminding the story with God and Satan, who was walking at a certain point, watching Earth, and God was mentioning to Satan:

”Look, people discovered a truth. What will you do now?” And Satan was very relaxed, said: ”Ah, that's not a problem!”

”Hey, come on!” said God. ”Look, they are understanding things now. So your dominion will diminish a lot!” And he said:

”But that's not the problem. I leave them like that for a while, then I go down there and organize them. And after they are organized, I will go among them and make them doubt that truth!” That's the way it works!

In short, if you want to destroy divine truths, organize an esoteric spiritual school, because authentic spiritual experience is free and spontaneous, and organization destroys spontaneity and leads to automatism and lack of authenticity, therefore to formal action, carried out only on the surface, mechanically and without inner feeling.

M. Stoian:

So now, of course, people will come to, the fanatics here will immediately: ”So you are against organization!” No, organization is good if it contains a certain degree of creativity in it. Yes, to be a participant to the life of this school, you risk to be wrong, but you also risk to be right. You sometimes risk to deviate, but you also risk to do it right, which is a much higher risk, actually, because you mainly do right. But when you are just an organizer, you simplify the directions given by God, with other words, you deviate them, because a simplification in the conditions of the universe means deviation. It doesn't mean orthodox line. It means deviation, it means fanaticism. As I said, the fanatic, he's right, but he's wrong. He keeps the line very straight, very simplified, thus wrong. So, for this reason, being organizers is not enough. And we tend to become organizers. We tend to organize the class. We tend to organize courses. We tend to organize schools. That's wrong! That's Satan sneaking into our life. We have to be participants, co-participants to the work of our spiritual guide, assuming responsibility, having the chance to be wrong, having the chance to be right, learning from that. Otherwise, we grow weaker. 

Actually, organizers, they become, as people, extremely weak from a spiritual perspective. They never take a decision. They never challenge anything in their life. And you have the surprise that they are students that are having better and or more correct spiritual view than the organizers. And see what happens sometimes. We have examples with organizers of big camps or big events, which you will expect an organizer of such an event should be the one on top of the event. And people who are just participants there, they have a much more correct point of view of the event than the organizers. They even correct the organizers. They even give a feedback. And the organizers are even becoming fanatic and reluctant to feedback, which shows clearly that they are not at the level of the event they are entrusted with. Rejecting feedback shows that the level is extremely low, which is a result of the fact that simply that person doesn't have a view of a participant, but has a view of an organizer, that's very low, as I said. 

The organizers lead the participants in directions that are not their own, practically turning them into beads strung on a thread. The organizers tend to impose their own vision on the participants. The best examples are the imposition of disgusting pornographic films on the participants of the "adult program" camps that they reject, as well as the imposition of participation for a minimum of 5 hours in various spiritual activities, including the program dedicated to the "master's" birthday! 🔗

From these examples it is clear that Bivolaru is actually the organizer, which is not surprising, since he is also the one who organized the "esoteric spiritual school" in the form of courses structured by years of study and practice, with minimum mandatory attendance and not with certain lessons that you choose to attend, as is the case with all other yoga courses, which "are not authentic spiritual schools". Stoian is also a part of this structure, he coordinates training and preparation courses in which he gives diplomas based on an exam with precise tests, not based on the level of spiritual evolution, but he also complains about the idea of ​​organization!

M. Stoian:

This formalism, that is suffocating us sometimes in some levels or tend to be installed very much, is a result of this attitude. Now, one of the consequences, which also I want to point out because it appeared in our discussion there, and it is extremely severe in my opinion, is one of the most severe consequences of these attitudes – is the isolation of the spiritual guide from the world. We put him in a box and we lock him away. Not physically, as we put him in a prison – by the way, from all our mistakes that we did as organizers – but we simply isolate him from the world. In my opinion, and this is just a personal opinion, if we would have been participants to his project, he would have never been in prison. He would have been now teaching these things here, not to a handful of people but to everyone. 

The "rebel" Stoian actually shows himself to be a pitiful servant, blaming the guru's problems on the practitioners and instructors. In reality, Bivolaru and his followers have come to be blamed, rejected, marginalized and isolated by the rest of society precisely for the additions (mutual urine consumption, conspiracies, aliens, esoteric-religious mixture, "planetary premiere revelations"), then the exaggerations and deformations (depraved sexualization, orgiastic, nude yoga in groups, group sex, polyamory, as well as the financial exploitation of these - porn films and video chats, erotic massage parlors), culminating in sexual abuses that claim to be "tantric initiations", all thrown over the facade of yoga practice which, in this way, they compromise.

The appreciation for MISA's courses comes from the traditional practices copied from high-level authors, while the criticism and even the public's disgust, which constitutes the predominant and final impression, come precisely from these additions and deviations. Bivolaru is not judged for being right, but for having distorted what is right. Bivolaru is not judged for the deviations of his followers, but precisely for the fact that he leads them astray from the right path. And above all, he is judged for having violated the freedom of some female students. He is the head of the evils at MISA, he gave this deviant direction, often against the aspirations of the students. He imposed debauchery, naked exhibitionism, orgies, group sex, sex between women, polyamory, against the idea of ​​a couple full of love, dedication and devotion. He imposed drinking the urine of partners and abject and excessive pornography, despite the disgust of the students 🔗. He is the one who scolded the followers for not "engaging" enough in these abject practices 🔗, which he argued were absolutely necessary because, without them, practitioners remain at a level of mediocrity 🔗.

M. Stoian:

It is our incapacity to participate, it is our disqualification to participants and just being some blind fanatic organizers that made him isolated from the world, not only spiritually but even physically. It's a natural consequence of this thing. And the reason is very simple. We consider Grieg as an exceptional case, a mistake humanity paid for a very heavy price. Jesus was not an exceptional case. Jesus was a human being that was evolving and evolved through the spiritual path. So this isolation of the spiritual guide appears because we consider him as exceptional.  Now the drama, because in my opinion is a crime, is a drama of this fanatic tendency, when Grieg is an exceptional person, we are not responsible for our evolution, because he's just an exception: ”Why should I be responsible? He was born like that, so therefore my failure on the path is fine. I mean, I was born with a lot of problems. He was exceptional, that's why he is like that!” 

And that's a very big mistake, and it shouldn't start. I mean, we shouldn't make it. And unfortunately the teachers of the school today, in my opinion, and I stand for this thing, we tend from our attitude to present Grieg as an exceptional being. He's not. He's an exceptional yogi. He's a person who is exceptionally practiced, but he's not an exceptional being. It's all the fanaticism inside twist when I say that. But I'm standing for this. I checked with him. His words: ”I'm an exceptional practitioner!”

He's not an exceptional person. He was not born exceptionally. He is an exceptional practitioner. If we are to prove anything in this world, if we are to participate to this school and to this project he came in the world to give, we are supposed to be the same. How do we follow a spiritual guide if we don't become a spiritual guide one day? 

People will ask me: ”Then why didn't you enter the door? Why didn't you follow him? Why are you not also exceptional? Because you claim all the time you follow your master. We want to see exceptional results, exceptional practice. Why you don't display that?” This is the standard of thinking. And in order to elude this standard, we come up with this trick: 

”Grieg is exceptional! Grieg is Grieg!” And I heard this, and I heard teachers and coordinators saying that ”no, no, but Grieg is Grieg, come on! You don't challenge what Grieg said. You don't speak, I mean, it's like Grieg!”

"Grieg" said right in front of the court, I quote: "I am endowed with exceptional gifts, I am a spiritual leader!" 🔗

Then, he himself implicitly claimed that he was exceptional, since "god" revealed to him "for the first time on the planet" secrets that were not known to either Jesus' apostles or the saints. But weren't the apostles and saints also exceptional practitioners?

Of course! But then why didn't "god" reveal his secrets to them, like to Bivolaru? Simply, because they weren't just exceptional practitioners, they would have to be exceptional themselves, like Bivolaru.

The former president of MISA declared that Bivolaru is "an exceptional being, a messenger of God" and his words remained posted on the MISA page and Bivolaru never asked for their correction, I quote:

The Bible actually tells us: “He will change the future (or, in other words, the destiny) of [this planet].” “He” here designates an exceptional being – a “sent of God on Earth” – who will actually carry out, within a sufficiently large group of human beings who will be guided by him, the process of creative modification and transformation of the destiny of humanity and planet Earth. 🔗

Stoian says that the practitioners of MISA are at a low level because they do not follow Bivolaru, because they consider him too high for their human condition. But what if they are at a low level EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW HIM?

Because spiritual disaster does not come only from the lack of exceptional practice, but especially from moral decay! Jesus said it: "Not that which goes into the mouth makes a man unclean, but that which comes out of the mouth.!" (Mathew 15:11)

The followers of MISA do indeed follow their guide, but on the path to perdition, forgetting the ideals for which they stepped onto the spiritual path.

M. Stoian:

Should the people who are entrusted with these things be alive? If they're just dead organizers, if they're just these zombies, then, of course, it doesn't grow anywhere. You take the course, you give it further, with no participation, even simplification, just because we are afraid not to say something wrong, and then we do it. And we reach to the aberration that, for instance, in some schools and in some classes, they put tapes. They don't even teach. They put the tape, they listen to the tape, they go home. It is an aberration. It is tolerated by Grieg because there was no other initiative, but it's not what he wanted. I spoke with him

several times about teaching with tapes, and he said: ”but this is not what I wanted. But since their level is so low, I said, fine, then you can take a tape and put it, and you can stop the tape and make comments, and you can come with, he even said, now the internet is so accessible with information, print a half a page on the subject there, but not exactly what is said in the course, but connection, and they present it to the class as an example of something. 

Imagine how many hundreds of teachers we are, how many hundreds of lessons we teach every year, and each of them printing a half a page more. Imagine what would have happened in the last 25 years, what the volume we would have covered. And the result is most of the teachers hardly collect a little bit of something like that home, and the pile of courses is still the most significant material they ever read. That's not participation. That's poor organization, and it comes also with this lack of interest in what the quality of our delivery, and it is not affecting only the courses, it's affecting seminars, lectures, reasons for which we are not competitive, we're not, how to say, we're not good compared with others. Others are keeping seminars and lectures and whatever much better than we do. 

"It is tolerated by Grieg, but it is not what he wanted". Well, the students did not want this from the beginning either! The students were attracted by the lying posters of MISA, which claim to teach yoga practices in the gym, with promises of health and calm then, between two lessons in the gym, each one lives his own life, pursues his own ideals. But then once they enter, they find that in fact they have been attracted to an "esoteric integral spiritual school", where they are told about another ideal that is extremely high, while the master, the leaders and the instructors are very low, they are like them in fact, even lower. In such conditions, how can you claim to be able to get along with some super-disciples. The great masters of the traditional lineages had few disciples, whom they chose precisely because they had quality (”many are called, but few are chosen), not like at MISA where whoever wants to enroll enters and whoever pays the course fee stays! This method with lessons listened to on cassettes is like grass given to sheep so that they stay well in the fold and give milk. And, after all, who is talking about those cassettes? Bivolaru, who complains that this is not what he wanted! Hypocritical liar!

The MISA/ATMAN course is made according to the principle of "as many courses as possible, as many students as possible, as many incomes as possible, as many "sexually open" individuals as possible", so where can there be quality aspirants?

Like master, like disciples! Didn't Bivolaru say that every disciple gets the master he deserves? That also means that the master gets the disciples he deserves! And then why is Bivolaru dissatisfied? In reality, he should have been dissatisfied with himself, but he doesn't accept this, because he considers himself exceptional!

 

In his presentation, Stoian ends up talking about competence and spiritual authority at MISA/ATMAN:

M. Stoian:

And of course, when you have systems like in Romania, for instance, where they don't have a challenge, because the school is big enough and so on, they become very lousy. Very! You saw the qualities of some events in Costinești, they are miserable. I mean, we wouldn't import such an event in any of our schools here, because we'll make fool of ourselves in front of the students. And it's a reality. We got complaints from our students, you remember, from different events in Costinești, our students, especially beginners, were outraged. ”Come on, we make such an effort, we come here, we pay money and so on, and we come there to listen to all this flatness and nonsense. I could have written myself this text!”, was saying someone last year in Costinești from the Tantra course. They were saying, I could have written myself these inept notions that were presented in the men&women lectures. And if you ask the organizers, they would say ”Grieg was asking us to say that!” No, Grieg was saying, maybe speak about that subject. But the fact that we are incompetent in talking about that topic is because we are unchallenged, or at least so we think, because we put a wall, we never meet the society, because the society will give a feedback. If we will go keep a public lecture, there will be people there saying ”hey, what is that? What are you talking here about? Don't you see that is far out?” And we will get feedbacks, but we don't get feedbacks anymore. We close the doors, we try to retire away from the people, from the society, and that's, as I said, a mistake. But then we are not concerned about delivering a product, so to speak, of quality. 

Here in West, we are a little more forced to do that, and that's a good thing, but we are forced, so it's semi-conscious, because of the financial problems. And we have to go out and make more money than the course, the yoga course can do. And because of that, of course, people will not pay money for a lousy event. So we started to grow in the quality. But still, in my opinion, here we also have to make a lot of work in the awareness, in the consciousness, because we don't do it because of big concern of participation. We do it because of money, mostly. Very little I heard people concerned on delivering a spiritual product, so to speak, of high quality, because of the spiritual mission. So that we still have to do a lot, even here in the West, where, let's say, we are forced. Then, of course, we should understand the fact that our theme is this impeccable, is our impeccability in the presentation, in the way we present the things, because we are already given most of the notions. Most of the teachers, they are already given lectures, they are already given seminars, they are already given everything. So all they have to do is just to bring it alive through their participation and their contribution. If there is no contribution, then there is no sacrifice. Without this sacrifice, nothing can be achieved. And on this idea, Grieg insisted very much. 

The poor quality of the presentations has always been there, and it is natural that it should be so since the so-called instructors are trained from among the students themselves, having a minimum of advance over the students they teach, in terms of lessons. Frequently, especially in the big years in small towns, the instructors are even classmates! They receive cassettes or DVDs from the MISA library, they give "play" and that's it! Look at how the few tricksters in the management, who have taken over the microphones at MisaTV, come with audacity and read a lot of nonsense taken with copy-paste from cheap websites on the Internet. But from whom did they get this stupid habit? From their great guide who, in recent years, has done this weekly. In fact, Bivolaru's "lectures" were actually put together by the same mass-produced instructors, as he admitted when he became ridiculous with a fake article taken from a tabloid! By the way, if the quality of the presentations is so good in the West - obviously thanks to the extremely high level of the initiate Stoian - then why are they simply not taken over, translated into Romanian and then broadcast to the "suckers in Romania"? And the fact that those in Romania are happy to swallow all kinds of rubbish is also due to the higher degree of indoctrination, favoured by the mentality of obedience inherited from communism.

Not only is the quality of the presentations disastrous, but also that of the "shows", created by some amateurs. MISA is a poor quality show, made by amateurs, as "Grieg" calls them! In this regard, those in the West are just as bad as those in Romania, as can be seen from the recording of the graduation ceremony of a new class of instructors, sponsored by Stoian himself! 🔗

The same eternal scenes with students painted, dressed and adorned in the form of Hindu deities, adopting various bodily attitudes, spinning, waving their hands, trying to create and force an ambiance on the viewers that is not typical of the Western mentality and culture, adopting all kinds of positions, each more emphatic, more self-absorbed, as Stoian sarcastically says!

These embarrassing and amateurish shows have always been done at MISA, proof that they can do that much, but it is true that during Bivolaru's time and in his presence, they were much more sexualized, as can be seen in these photos 🔗 that captured a show prepared for the Miss Shakti contest by the same director who also produced the MISA porn movies, in which, by the way, Stoian also starred, movies that he sold in an online shop right on the Natha page, where he himself was the "coordinator".

MISA instructors are asked to put more soul into their work and to show more spirit of sacrifice. But why would they do this since they are volunteers, so they have no other benefit - even an imaginary one - of "accelerated spiritual evolution", who have to make an additional effort even in their free time, being stuffed to saturation with the same and the same eternal ineptitude that they have to deliver in the same wooden language! If this were their job, it would be somewhat understandable. For whom should they sacrifice themselves: for Bivolaru, so that he could have more money and more followers from which to choose his "initiates", sitting like the sultan in Paris and making love to them? Moreover, since they do this for alms, they are also required to be "highly qualified"! But what does it mean to be qualified at MISA?

M. Stoian:

Moreover, there are special qualifications for different positions that we have or we need to fulfill in the school, such as administrator, coordinating the school. These are positions that are requiring special qualities. And the worrying thing is not that we are not qualified. The worrying thing is that it's obvious in many cases a lack of interest to be qualified.This is coming together with a very big effort to hide the mistakes and incapacity to receive feedback, which goes hand in hand.

So we notice, for instance, in some cases, even in some schools, we have to dig, to dig to find out certain things that were going wrong, That shows that the person in charge is not only disqualified, but is avoiding to be qualified. As a proof, there were a lot of lessons even in here, in the Atman Federation, presented spiritual management, all these things about the qualities of the coordinator and so on. Most of the teachers, they didn't even attend it, they didn't even care to listen, I checked. This is something that goes always with the initiative to hide the mistakes, which is very damaging for the system, Then we build in front protocols of communication, formalisms, and then it becomes an institution. It's dead. If we want to keep it alive, we have to get rid of all these things, and the root of this is that we are competent, because the one who is qualified the one who is competent, even if he's doing a mistake, it's no problem, he can correct, he knows what to correct. Only the ones which are not qualified, they are desperate, because if it's an error there, they don't know how to fix it. But the answer is very simple, education. We don't need to build all kind of systems. 

After making a huge extra effort in their free time, without receiving anything in return, instructors are also required to be highly qualified! But being unqualified, when they make mistakes, they hide them so that they don't have any more trouble.

The question is: why all the fuss, why do they want to be instructors, if they don't correspond? Simple: because they believe that they have a huge benefit for their spiritual evolution! But their incompetence shows them that they are not spiritually evolved, so this expected benefit is actually a chimera! This is a vicious circle of the mind that can hardly be broken. Deception through self-deception!

So at MISA, if you are an instructor and your lesson consists only of carrying out the practice program and running a pre-recorded video file with standard lessons, which means they are not qualified. And then what is required of them? In fact, instructors are asked to be more effective in mobilizing, and therefore in indoctrinating, the students. Obviously, this requires that they themselves be strongly indoctrinated first. This is how MISA expanded: some indoctrinated students fascinated and indoctrinated others.

Bivolaru has no charisma, as they say. A man with true charisma imposes himself, on his own. He is the only one in the centre of attention, and that is all. If Bivolaru had truly had charisma, most of society would have been seduced by him, in the worst case they would have said "Bivolaru is a character!", and not in a negative sense, but in the sense of fascination.

But the reality is exactly the opposite, he mostly arouses disgust and controversy. Bivolaru needs someone to prepare the stage for him and make his entrance. That's what his first disciples did, who actually had greater charisma than him.

The followers after 1990 were seduced by the stories of these first disciples, who transmitted to their first students the fascination for "Grieg", like "apostles". Those who saw "Grieg" for the first time were unpleasantly surprised, there was a great contrast between the stories of the "apostles" and reality, but they believed them, because they truly had charisma. Certainly if the first disciples had been the center of attention at MISA, if they had been the interface for the public, the image of MISA would have been different. In fact, this was attempted at one point, when the scandal was growing, by sending those from the "second level" forward, but Bivolaru had already irremediably left his mark on MISA through the debauchery that made him famous.

One could say: the disciple Sahajananda (Hridaya Yoga School 🔗) did not have much success after he broke away from Bivolaru. But another disciple, Vivekananda Saraswati (Agama school 🔗), had success in the West and then in Thailand, until the "bivolaru" in him came to light. His success comes from that mixture of exotic esoteric knowledge poured out in abundance and the "overflowing, frenetic" sexuality. That was also the case with Bivolaru: a pre-prepared stage, a pre-warmed audience, plus a flood of unheard, mythical information, greedily absorbed by novices. Then the novices, who became faithful students, did the work further, attracting and convincing others, because collective pressure (and persuasion) proved to be essential at MISA.

This is the live participation, this is the qualification Stoian is talking about, which is created according to the exact same recipe: one-man show, a bit of charisma plus a lot of information poured out on the audience, who is not allowed to recover from its reverie.

But if all of them had kept quiet, not much would have happened. Ultimately, the impact of MISA comes from this constant flow of information, unknown in the West but stolen from the East. That's what everyone who attends the first courses says: "you learn a lot of new things and you have the impression that you can EASILY do those things too!" Only after a few decades do you find out that you actually can't... When you add it all up, the MISA recipe is the same recipe for mobilizing the masses with empty words. It's exactly like the biblical scene:

And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a ma” (Acts, 12:22-23)

This is how the masses are fooled: with big and empty words! A big, stupid crowd, plus snoring talk, and success is assured in the short term.

TO BE QUALIFIED AT MISA MEANS "BEING A PARROT"!

How were the female students convinced to end up in Bivolaru's bed, despite the disgust they felt? With big words, with promises of salvation: "let me give it to you... the salvation!"

But for it to work, you have to constantly "deliver" new merchandise, for over 35 years, to always keep your attention alert with new and new "initiations". For the sheep to stay in the fold and not leave, you have to continuously "deliver" them fodder. That's the difference between MISA and other folds: fodder in bulk! Bivolaru read a lot, had a monopoly on information, added spicy ingredients, then opened the bistro. The MISA recipe! And Stoian knows this well, because he also enjoyed:

M. Stoian:

So after a while, some people simply don't join, and we've noticed that, and there are also other groups that somehow their quality the quality level of the people starts to diminish. And you know, we have seen it in Romania, for instance, quite obvious, because we have a very high level. When Grieg was in touch with the people there and so on, we have such a high level of people.

Educated people, people with immense aspiration. And now we can see that actually even the level of education of people who join the classes, it's decreasing. We don't penetrate so much, for instance, in universities, as it was all over the university level there, and in the high level of the education and the society, it was, our school was all over. Now, it's more medium level. Why?

Because that's the level also of people in front. When they come and see those people, they say, well, I'm not feeling represented. While when Grieg was there, the interesting part, he's not representing, he's not even having university studies, yet. People with high university degrees would feel honoured to be in that class, which is a clear proof that it's not about your diploma or something. It's about the way you are qualified for what you're doing there. And he is super qualified for what he's doing. He was providing high class. And then because he was providing high class, everybody would join. 

But then when the quality of what we provide is lowering, many people feel rejected, even though the content is very valuable. And this is what I think is an abuse from our side. We rely too much on the fact that the content is so good, and then we don't, we ignore the shape. That's our job. Grieg's job was to give the content. Our job is to give the shape of this content, very nice.

And actually, we've been in classes with him, and also the shape was nice. Not only the content. It was interesting. It was very effervescent, fascinating. It was really entertaining also. All the points were covered. So it was not only one thing. While as we can see, that kind of quality is decreasing. And it shouldn't be like that, because after all, this is what we are doing.

We are supposed to become better into something, better into writing the course. We cannot be, because it's written. So that is taken already. But we can become infinitely better in providing these courses, explaining them, presenting them, doing introduction to the courses, courses of introduction to the courses, masses courses, courses in stadiums, whatever. I've never heard Grieg saying ”NO” to any of these kind of initiatives. We are free to do it. The problem is, are we free to do it? 

"Grieg's job was to give the content. Our job is to give this content a beautiful shape".

The instructors' job is to take the excrement, put it through cocoa, give it a beautiful shape and sell it as a cocoa cake... For this, they also become accomplices to what is happening at MISA, and they should answer, not to be so free anymore...

"Grieg doesn't have a university degree, yet" so, suggests Stoian, "he is not yet recognized, but he already has a university level".

Yes, he does, but it is called "plagiarism", because he stole from others who have a university degree and did not cite them. But what can we talk about a university level, because he was not even a disciple, he did not even have a master, he only had "dreams with Tibetans and initiatory states" in his childhood!

M. Stoian:

Many of the Western schools are confronted with this problem, lack of reliable students to get involved in the school to do things. Because many are coming, many of the coordinators are coming and saying, oh, but I'm not having enough people to help me. Are you sure that you are doing the right thing? Because if we are doing the right thing, people join. People will come. People will join us from all kinds of places. But they always join us in the extent we can cover the things, not more, not less. So then maybe we are not qualified. Grieg knows these things, and he is having an attitude which is absolutely incredible, amazing. He's covering all the lackings that we have. But this cannot continue like that. We will be shocked when that will stop for a reason, because one day the universe will say stop to this situation. Like, for instance, the school in Romania was shocked when Grieg left.

How many things remained uncovered? There was the whole team there working what they consider to be work, which was in my opinion very little work, unprofessional, trying to cover what one man was doing, and they couldn't. So it's the same situation all overthe place. 

Not only did "Grieg" leave then, but shortly after, some of those who had actually built the school, and also erected the Grieg's statue, began to be marginalized and made to leave! When they left, it felt like the entire course had collapsed.

In fact, the quality of the courses had begun to decline sharply even before the great man's departure. In 2004, the 15th year of the course began, and the courses from that year were the first to be coded, so as not to be copied by others and thus preserve the monopoly of the information (and, of course, to hide plagiarism!) On this occasion, those who wanted to decipher them in order to read them, found that they were putting in a huge effort for nothing. Many simply gave up trying to decipher them and relied only on the course notes, on which occasion they realized that they had not noted much, because there was a lot of empty talk.

M. Stoian:

We see, for instance, nowadays we rely very much on students sending letters to Grieg and receiving answers. Very nice, no doubt about it. But first of all, it's not fair. We shouldn't do that in such an extent. And secondly, we should cover that. It should not be necessary. A letter to Grieg should be like a super exceptional exception. Grieg should receive letters from us about fundamental issues like these ones. But you see, after 20 years, he's giving such an answer: ”Nobody asked me about these things!”, certain fundamental things. This is very disqualifying, because during those years we have been interacting with him big time. Letters, long hours of talking, interactions, really, all the way. And still, that's not the way to integrate the spiritual guide in our life. He has a completely different role: guiding. Guiding is not management daily basis. Guiding is guidelines. Once in a while asking: ”hey, is this the point? Is this?” ”Yes! Yes!” ”Yes! Thank you very much!” That's it. And the rest, go! You don't need, for instance, validation from the spiritual guide, which in my opinion is a proof of failure. And he confirmed it. He said: ”Yeah, but what can I do with them? Look at them. Hundreds of letters with requests for validation:

”Grieg, I had this dream. Is it true? Grieg, I had this state. What state is that? Grieg, I had...” Validations. What's the meaning of a normal yogi asking for validation? 

It has meaning! It is not just the validation of the “yogi!” It is the “validation of the value and authenticity of the school”! In the absence of concrete, obvious achievements that can be ascertained by outsiders (but also by insiders!), only with sensations, shivers and tinglings that even those who ask for validations are not sure about (because that is why they ask for validations!), Bivolaru’s only tool to “demonstrate the value of the school” is represented by the “testimonies and accounts” authenticated by him.

This has been talked about in previous posts, “one hand washes the other”: the students testify about the Guide, and the Guide authenticates what the students say! (the graphic representation of this fact can be viewed here)

And the validation trend at MISA was subtly inoculated by the Guide himself who, in his need to validate the “value of the school”, but also his own, always asks, after every example, for testimonials from the students. And what was the Guide supposed to answer:

“Nonsense, nothing, imagination! You are daydreaming, you are deceiving yourself, you have no authentic achievements!”?

It would mean saying that the school sucks, therefore he sucks! The next second, all the students would leave! So he says:

“Wow, what achievements! You are almost enlightened!” The students ask for validations because it tickles their ego and gives them confidence, so they stay in the school, and the business flourishes.

M. Stoian:

You can write a letter after five years of profound practice and say: ”I have reached this and this and that, this and this and that!”

And he said:  ”Yes, this is authentic! Yes, this is good! This is correct! From there you continue!” That's a validation.

This kind of letters Grieg should receive. One has an experience writing to Grieg directly, not to anyone else, because of course, and receiving a letter from there with a validation. Validations are a poison the way we use it today. It's a misuse of the spiritual guide. 

“It’s a misuse of the spirit guide.” Wrong! It’s a misuse by the spirit guide! He started, he tolerated this idea spread by his first students, that he was in touch with “god” and he sees and knows everything!

And this with the “deep state”: if you have a really deep state, that means a high level of consciousness and you should understand it. And if you don’t have a high level, how can you have high states? Or if a special state is induced in you, how could you understand it?

Some people get special perceptions of space and time, ingesting LSD, but they have no idea where they ended up, they are dazed! They can’t understand the state because they don’t have the necessary level, they are blind people who have been forced there, through the chemical action on the brain, they don’t realize what they are experiencing because, if they did, they would be transformed. As a result, they turn to the drug again and again, ending up becoming addicted and destroying themselves mentally and physically.

There are others who have understood at least partially the perception obtained from using the drug and are even able to describe it, realize that it is something special, but these are the ones who already have a level of awakening. If a practitioner with a weak level arrives forcibly, through a certain technique, what will he understand from the perception or from what the master transmits to him?

That is why it is said that those who have understood no longer have questions, and those who have questions prove by this very fact that they have not yet understood!

M. Stoian:

And what will happen? Is anyone thinking of the future? Let's say his teachings will become truly popular, we will revolutionize the planet. What? Seven billion people sending letters, having the biggest postal service ever existed, in one – not imagine all the letters, one – seven billion people sending letters to Grieg for everything they want to do in life. It's unrealistic. Even nowadays, most of the letters stays unanswered because simply he cannot cover that. And he shouldn't cover that. 

If "his teachings become truly popular", many will realize that they are not his teachings but borrowed from others, at which point he will suddenly become very unpopular: "Look at this one, he says they are his teachings, but others have revealed them long ago. And those that are not others' and are certainly his, about the golden elixir (urine) of others, phew!" 

But if nevertheless "his teachings become popular", meaning that everyone on the planet would have the level of consciousness specific to MISA, then humanity has no chance of recovering!

And what a convenient excuse to make when he does not give answers to disturbing questions: "Uuh, he does not have time!" But the answers to unimportant letters come anyway; for these, how does he have time?

M. Stoian:

Then, of course, the question is that the fanatics are immediately putting: ”So who will answer our letters?”

”Me! I will answer the questions!” You, everyone, those who are following Grieg and are becoming models to follow. We should be able to give meditations for birthday.

There are indeed some students who claimed that they have the impression that it is not "Grieg" who answers their letters, but someone from the school administration...

 

 

M. Stoian:

And of course, inevitably, many of the things when you hear ”Grieg said that”, they are wrong. They are even lies. I heard people saying ”Grieg said that”, and I checked with him ”Did you say that?” Because there were some stupid things and they were contradictory. And he said ”No, I never said that!” ”Well, you were quoted to say that!” ”Wrong. I didn't!” 

"I heard some contradictory nonsense that could not have been said by Grieg, because he does not say nonsense and contradictions, and I asked him: ”Grieg, you didn't say that, did you?" And Grieg answered me: ”Right, if it's nonsense, then I didn't say it!”

Therefore, if you hear contradictory nonsense right from Grieg's mouth, know that he didn't say it!”

So, if you heard Grieg say that the Covid pandemic is fake and staged, then that it's a simple cold, and finally he said that if you don't take the anti-Covid powders he recommended, you'll die of Covid, know that he didn't say anything like that! If he said with his own mouth about "prophylactic remedies" 🔗, meaning herbal powders that cure what they couldn't prevent, then it wasn't him!

And if you heard Grieg say in a conference that the Pope declared that those who do not get vaccinated will not enter Heaven 🔗, and then you heard him in the next conference apologizing for not knowing that he had read fake news 🔗, know that it was not Grieg, but a team of editors from MISA, who write the conferences for the Great Expert of the universe!

M. Stoian:

And of course, that is showing another thing. Incapacity to have authority. And we try to get endorsement of our authority with the famous words ”Grieg said”. You know what means ”Grieg said”? ”Grieg said” means ”I didn't say that”.  It's not you! You don't participate! You put a distance between you and him. Every time you say ”according to him”, it's not also ”according to you”?” And of course, together with this, we also have using the tendency to use Grieg name as a kind of a jolly-joker to cover everything that we don't know. If we don't understand something, if we don't know something, ”Grieg said, Grieg imposed” and so on. 

Spiritual authority comes from spiritual accomplishments. When the instructors are just students who have passed some exams, while being students themselves, what authority can we talk about? And all the instructors at MISA/ATMAN teach the course designed by “Grieg”, as they always admit, so it is always “according to Grieg”. The instructors do not have great spiritual accomplishments, but parrot things learned from someone who, in turn, took from others. This lack of spiritual accomplishments is reflected in the title of instructor or coordinator. If he had great spiritual accomplishments of his own and thus acquired great spiritual authority, he would be called a sage, teacher or master. At MISA, only Bivolaru has stated that he is a mentor or spiritual guide and signs himself as a “yoga teacher”, with extremely dubious diploma 🔗, acquired in just one month in India, a country he has never been to!

M. Stoian:

Together with this fear of being wrong and the reason why we tend to abuse Grieg's presence and Grieg's name, it appears this paranoia of being wrong, paranoia of mistakes, especially after a while. You see, paranoia of being wrong appears for yogis who fail to evolve because yoga practitioners who transform, they're not afraid to be wrong because their transformation clearly shows up by the fact that the mistakes are not allowed to go too low because you transform. 

The paranoia of making mistakes at MISA does not mean the fear of making great spiritual mistakes (sins), as Stoian erroneously insinuates. The instructors and leaders at MISA have no problem when they violate moral principles. They have no hesitation when they commit all kinds of villainies and when they lie to people, painting the "divine paradise" at MISA and publicly denying the media's exposure of debauchery, orgies, pornographic films and video chats committed right in front of the world! They have no hesitation in sending female students to pornographic video chats or to sexual "initiation" with the guru, knowing what is about to happen, lying to them and even urging women to do all this even against their wishes, promising them a great spiritual leap.

They had no hesitation in lying continuously in all the conferences and posts of the organization, in the so-called rights of reply, they have no hesitation in swearing perjury and giving false testimony in court! And they do all this at the urging and with the "blessing" of the "spiritual guide", even when they are aware that they are violating moral rules. So their fear is not of wronging God, because they do this constantly, but they are afraid of wronging their lying god and enslaved by perverse passions, the guru.

Nothing can show a person's character better than their attitude towards spiritual practice and their spiritual Guide. Human beings who have been on this spiritual path, overcome by impatience and doubts, have distanced themselves from the spiritual Guide and implicitly left the spiritual path, voluntarily giving up the divine chance of transformation. However the doubt manifested itself, it triggered resonance processes with the terrible world of demons and even hell. The demonic doubts they faced at a certain point proved fatal for some of them, causing them to go astray and deviate from the authentic spiritual path on which they existed. The lost person can no longer accept their Spiritual Guide as a divine being necessary to transform their limited egoistic personality, to free it, to make it come out of the ego and help it enter universality and infinity. Thus, from the authentic aspirants who were at the beginning, they became poor and obvious yogic "waste". (archived)

 

In this last part of the presentation, Stoian talks about the relationship between the "yoga school" and society.

 

M. Stoian:

There are also observations from other schools, but there is one almost specific to our school, not totally, we don't have exclusivity on that, but the victim attitude. We tended to develop in time a kind of a victim attitude due to the fact that we are attacked by the bad guys, that la la la. This victim attitude has some side effects which are very strange. One of them is the fact that the victim attitude is underlining an arrogant attitude. Many of the people who have this victim attitude: ”we are superior and we are the victims of the inferior guys”. 

Indeed, it is also about an attitude of superiority and arrogance, which is taken to the extreme. Those from MISA consider themselves perfect, divine, they never make mistakes and can never make mistakes, so don't even touch them with a flower!

An ridiculous example is the reproach that those from MISA addressed to a former student named Miranda, one of the victims who filed a complaint against Bivolaru, who in the BBC podcast "Bad Guru", referred to Bivolaru as "the spiritual guide of the yoga camp", a name considered offensive by MISA(!?), although this is an absolutely minor aspect compared to the accusations of sexual abuse and sexual exploitation that the same female student made against Bivolaru!

Moreover, they consider themselves the only holders of the truth and claim to have received directly from “god” the mission of enlightenment and saving the planet, a fact written in the Bible Code, so the rest of us, the profane, not only should we not criticize them, but we should praise and glorify them constantly! Whoever doubts MISA even a little, is not only mistaken from the start, but is even demonic and will end up in hell forever!

But there is another reason why MISA get angry when their image is affected even a little: they know that they are guilty of the respective accusations and urgently seek to divert attention elsewhere and, obviously, to intimidate those who investigate them.

Someone who was wrongly accused wouldn't be so vehement, especially since they know they have proof of their innocence and, above all, they wouldn't respond with a counterattack ("you're the bad guys, not us!"), which clearly shows that they know they're guilty!

M. Stoian:

Actually, some of the things we are attacked for are correct. For instance, honestly speaking, we have some sectarian attitudes. Yes, we are not a sect as such, and it's a gross exaggeration to consider MISA as a sect, MISA and NATA and all the schools, it is a spiritual school, a network of schools, but we have sectarian attitudes, so we should be careful when we deny that. We should not be so vehement in saying ”no, it is not true!” We are a little bit fanatic. 

Since MISA claims to be the sole holder of the truth, the highest school of all time and possessor of the highest divine secrets, following the messenger of "god" on earth who has revelations in planetary premiere, the label of sect is by no means an exaggeration, but is the very natural classification. But let's see what the sectarian attitudes are:

M. Stoian:

We are sometimes very lousy in integrating the administrative work. Therefore, the society feel threatened by us being so strangely organized. So it is not completely far out. It's true, they are using these things, our flaws, to attack us. But the fact that flaws exist, in any person with a spiritual attitude will at least admit ”Listen, I have my weakness. That's why they attack me”. Otherwise, we contradict our own principles. We all teach the students, you know, nothing happens by coincidence. It's your weakness, it's your resonance, you accept the resonance and so on. And then suddenly, in regard to the attacks of the society, we are perfect and they are the bad guys. It's abusive and it's not correct. 

Yes, that's the problem with MISA: "poor integration of administrative work!" The aberrant ideas, the deflection of asteroids and comets, conspiracy theories, the consumption of urine from sexual partners, group sex and polyamory, Bivolaru's strange manifestation 🔗, the invocation of aliens, the bizarre cult-like web pages, the messianic attitude, the insane fanaticism (not just "a little bit"!), the fact that they swear on their health and personal misfortunes that they will keep the secret, these don't scare society, only the administrative side!

At a certain point, a short but interesting dialogue takes place with the audience:

 

female voice from the audience: In general, on the net they are nowadays writing and compiling these kind of anti-MISA blogs and so on, but they write exactly as they are now these poor victims and they somehow were discovered... 

M. Stoian: They make fun. 

from the audience: Yeah, they're always victims of everything. 

M. Stoian: Yes, exactly.

din public: (There's obviously not a strong side/or/ site).

From such a site they ended up being investigated: "The Guide" 🔗, Stoian and his wife, arrested in the most "touristy" country, republic of Georgia! 🔗 Stoian-the-White did not suspect that, a decade after that discussion, it would be his turn to shout that he was the victim of the bad guys blah blah! On these blogs/forums, the real victims of Bivolaru's abuses told their stories, from there they reached the ears of journalists, of anti-cult organizations, the victims contacted other victims and organized themselves, then contacted the authorities and, just like that, the heads of the hydra were cut off, proving true what the bloggers ”wrote for fun"!

M. Stoian:

The victim attitude that is having as a background a kind of an arrogant attitude. We consider ourselves above the law, above everything. Not all the time, but some things we truly need to correct. Together with the unprofessionalism in presenting ourselves towards the society, that makes a very fertile ground to these abuses against us. The drama is because of the lack of participation to the defending of the school. Most of the people do not participate actively to the defending of the school. They do not realize how strange we look in front of the others. I can tell you because I am there in front of the defence and I can tell you very often I speak with people who don't understand our defence because we also are looking strange. So when we try to present the things there, they say, but well, it's difficult for them to understand.

And many will understand that if they will participate, but they don't. Therefore, they think we are fine, we are doing well, we are so perfect and so good and these bad people are attacking us and that's all. No, that's not all. That's a terrible, abusing, simplified version of the truth. It's not true. In reality, for instance, some of the trials in Romania are full of errors that we made. So this is the problem. You see, we have a victim attitude, but it's not correct, our victim attitude. 

”We consider ourselves above the law, above everything”. This arrogant attitude comes from the belief instilled by Bivolaru that everything done at MISA is "divinely integrated", although the actions obviously violate both the laws and common sense. Although the "guide" always says that "everything is possible, but not everything is permitted", here he has allowed himself any wickedness that, in his opinion, is divinely integrated because "an affirmative response to consecration was received" for these aberrations, as the Spiritual Guide of MISA also declared before the French court. 🔗

The arrogant attitude is seen in all the press releases of the MISA Press Office when they are exposed in the media. Instead of fighting the accusations with arguments, those from MISA reproach the journalists for selling themselves to evil, then boast, showing how great and virgin the esoteric yoga school is 🔗 🔗, amplifying the impression of "weirdness".

 

Then, in 2013, Stoian criticized the victim attitude, but now in 2025, having been arrested in Georgia, he embraces it. But what would be the correct attitude, in Stoian's opinion?

M. Stoian:

We should first have the winner attitude. We should first go out and teach and show the things. Nowadays, we are almost hiding all the time. That's not correct. You cannot, I mean, Grieg is not appearing publicly now, but he's sending lectures, he's doing so much activity even though he's risking his life. And sometimes people even blame him, but if he is brave enough, he will come there to face the challenges. Really, how many of the others who were accused or something continued their activity?

Most, they just disappeared. They didn't keep a lecture afterwards. They just disappeared, which is not correct. This victim attitude is also not justified. It's just a failure of inner alchemy and a clear sign of lack of success in the spiritual practice.

A person with success in the spiritual practice, and especially in the inner alchemy, cannot fall into the victim attitude because it's a person resourceful, is a person who has a lot of solutions to any problem that they appear. If we are following the spiritual guide, and obviously he's a winner, he's not a victim, shouldn't we be winners instead of victims Because if we're following, we should be like him. Meaning, I never heard him with the mentality of a victim.

Great winning attitude from Bivolaru, especially when he put his jacket on his head when he was caught trying to cross the border 🔗, then disappeared into the cosmic void and reappeared as a great hero only after he obtained, through a lie, the protection of Sweden. When the trial of the parole application took place in 2017, he declared that he took responsibility for the act and regretted it, then upon leaving prison, he said that he was not guilty. Then he disappeared again, started sending ridiculous lessons and audio conferences, complaining from time to time that the Masons were sending him death threat letters and that they were hunting him. Arrested in France and brought before the court, he compared himself to Jesus in terms of his “persecution” 🔗, said that he was “endowed with divine gifts and is a spiritual leader” 🔗, then denied the accusations and heroically blamed the “initiated” students 🔗 and the affirmative answer of "god".

Yeah, Bivolaru never posed as a victim, only as a winner(?) This is exactly what a true winner looks like... 🔗

M. Stoian:

Many of these activities simply do not have, they are not an expression of a certain perspective, and I was even making an experiment, talking with some of the people, here in Denmark, asking them, how do you see your position 30 years from now in the school?

Do you see yourself? And for many, it was a shock. They never envisioned themselves here in 30 years, and of course, it's not because they are very old, and they will not be probably in this world. No, simply because they were not having any vision. 

Well, interesting enough, the higher the level of consciousness, the broader this perspective naturally. 

Maybe for Stoian it is a wonderful vision, seeing himself in 30 years a great yoga teacher, wasting time at ATMAN, maybe even as Bivolaru's successor, waiting for female students to come to "initiations", while the money flows from the visionless suckers who work for him, but for an ordinary student, to see himself in 30 years in the same state, contributing to ATMAN until his last breath, that would be a failure, because it would mean at least that he has not yet achieved ultimate liberation!

Immediately after the lecturer expressed these ideas, someone from the audience reports:

person in the audience:

So in the summertime, when it was the Krishna initiation in Costinești, one of our colleagues told me that when it was the moment of take committing herself and taking the promise, she said, for one day in a row, stucked in a replica, she didn't went forward with the initiation, just saying: ”From now on, all that years, to come to the, even if you are not in the yoga school. Imagine, even if you are not in the yoga school, you have to come to do that!” So all the day, she was knocking her colleague in the head: ”Hey, but how come this? I mean, even if you give up to be in the yoga school, you have to come to do this!” 

(note: at the special initiation for Krishna, before drawing a ticket with "YES" or "NO", a form is filled out, which includes, among other things, a commitment that, if you are admitted to the initiation following the draw (if you draw a ticket with "YES"), you will continue to attend the lectures in each camp, year after year, for 15 years, even if you leave the yoga classes in the meantime!)

M. Stoian: Let's say a teacher from their group freak out, have a problem with the promise there, and says, ”No, it's too much, I cannot”, and goes out. That person stands up and says: ”I think it's a wrong opinion, because you haven't heard, for instance, the explanations about the solemn promise, and because of that you are incompetent. It's good you go, I'm glad you go, because actually you are not qualified to be here among us!” All the others will hear also another opinion. Otherwise they will all stay silent here: ”Another one bites the dust. Another one go, what are we doing here?” 

Here is proof of the way in which the mental conditioning of the students is done at MISA/ATMAN, by which they are determined to remain in the sect: promises or even oaths by which they commit to continue participating in the sect's actions, years and years in a row, even after they have eventually left the group! A recognition from the highest source of this perverse mode of action!

Towards the end, the issue of fanaticism returns:

M. Stoian: I saw that, for instance, now that I teach this Tantra course in Romania, talking with a lot of people who come to the Tantra course. And I discovered that they still carry inside all kind of strange things. They never had, they say, if you ask them consciously, they don't have doubts. They are on the path, they follow the path, they follow the path more and more passive, and slower and slower, and mostly because they carry all these weights which were never answered, were never cleaned out, instead of just following and having still a feeling that, ”hmm, that's strange, but yeah, maybe. I trust Grieg”.

Their trust becomes more and more blind, because there are many reasons not to trust Grieg. They have many proofs during time. They have a lot of reasons not to trust Grieg, and moments when Grieg was wrong, and so on, that they never addressed. They never dared to put a question. And they were just sitting there, swallowing, and then on top, cover the whole thing with, ”no, but I trust Grieg.” And their trust becomes fanatic almost. That's why they become so many fanatics. In Romania, for instance, because they were not answered. It was a failure, in my opinion, of the intermediary level to provide correct answers and a vivid vision on the spiritual path. And because of that, the large mass become fanatic, because how could they stay on the path? 

When people ask me: ”do you believe in him?” ”No. Honestly, I don't believe in him. I follow him, because it's obvious!”

It's not a... I would be dishonest to say faith. Faith is when you don't see and you follow what I see. Our failure to understand him turns into a guiding influence or guidelines that are very strange for people. And they really get fanatics. We have our fanatics because we grow them like that. A person who 20 years follow a master who give all kind of strange signs, who endorse pornography, who by his own recommendation do this and that and this and you never get an explanation for that. You still follow that? You have a degree of fanaticism to stay on the path. You're rigid, because otherwise, you would have had explanations. You would have found out the truth for yourself. Fanatics don't need explanations. They just follow whatever happens. 

So Stoian admits that "Grieg supports pornography", although MISA swears that everything is just beauty and pure eros with them. And he "follows him because it's obvious" and supports pornography too, and even participates in it, stars in porn films and sells them!

However, MISA claims that she is innocent, she is even a virgin, and the blame for the scandal lies with the "hateful" former students:

M. Stoian: I was wondering, for instance, why we have so many people that turn against the school. I mean, there are schools who have a lot of students and they leave the school and they left the school. That's all. They don't turn against the school. And analyzing this situation, I realized there is a very simple explanation for why we have so many people turning against. Because you also have a higher degree, a higher percentage of fanatics. And the fanatics, they always stay fanatic. They are fanatics pro or against. So, a fanatic, when he leaves the school, he becomes fanatic to attack the school. And that's why.

Now, the question is, how do we build these fanatics? Why we have a percentage? Not everyone, but we have a certain percentage of it. I think we grow them. We, as the prolongation of the spiritual guide, because we fail to give the right attitude, the right guidance, then the people are following a ghost. And of course, they become, some of them, they don't have an alternative. They will follow the path. So, they only have in mind: ”I have to keep this path no matter what!” And then they keep it, even if in their mind, really Grieg, they just make an image. They draw, like these people on the cave, you know, drones on the cave, because it's not Grieg, it's a phantasmagoric image of what he is, because they don't have an alternative. They didn't meet a model. They just met a picture, and what they see there in front of the class, ”no, that's not according to the picture!” And for this reason, they say: ”Fine, I will follow this no matter what!” That's a fanatic. And the problem is, some of them, they follow the path, and they go against it. That's the definition of the percentages. 

I noticed, for instance, some of the people, even here in Denmark, those who were attacking the school, they were following like this. They were not following it honestly. And then they turn against it. You never see people with an honest attitude to follow the path even if they have a conflictual situation, they decide not to come to the class because something is too much for them or something, but they don't turn against it. They don't waste their life to hunt the mistakes of the school or things like that. These are the people who we created, and we should be a little bit at least responsible for that because we don't like it. If we don't like it, we should stop producing these people because from them we have a certain feedback. Of course, there will be always a degree of fanatics probably in a spiritual school, but not so many. We have many. We have more than we should have. We should have a natural percentage, like all the population has a certain degree maybe. We should have maybe that degree, but not higher than that. We create them because, in my opinion, we put too many challenges in front of the honest aspirants instead of us growing, and then everyone grows, and then you don't need fanaticism because you have organizations that are replacing the, as you say, the things that you have to believe on the word of someone. You don't have to believe. There is a certain thing you believe, but the things that, let's say, they are old, it's not a question of belief. You have already realized that, you have achieved that level, it's not anymore a belief.

But when you haven't achieved, the course goes on and on, and you still have to believe a lot of things, still you haven't evolved too much. And then the buffer of belief things is full, it's saturated, you can't take anymore. So that's why some of the things have to move from the belief to realization, to achievement. 

What Stoian means by this gibberish is that the former students who turn against the school did not leave it because they noticed the flagrant violations of the moral principles that are loudly preached by the great school itself, but they are the ones who did not keep up with the "formidable revelations received in the divine integral esoteric school", could not bear the feeling of definitive failure and threw their frustration at the flawless school! He thus proves that he really followed his master on the path of wickedness and perversity, throwing the dead cat in the victims' yard.

"If they were honest, former students wouldn't attack the school", but they are actually raising the alarm about the mischief that goes on behind the scenes of yoga classes, precisely so that others don't fall into MISA's trap.

“We create them because, in my opinion, we put too many challenges in front of honest aspirants, instead of growing ourselves.”

That is, “WE talk as if we have achieved perfection, although we obviously have a lot of problems, while the average students find that they have become stuck and end up believing themselves to be failures, then they blame the causes of their failure on us.”

And “WE” refers primarily to Bivolaru, who uses the plural of majesty when referring to himself. The problem is that the leaders are forced to pretend to be perfect to the students in order to instill in them the belief that they too will become like that someday, in order to determine them to join the school and stay forever. In addition, after they have attracted them in, they also tell them that if they leave, they will permanently lose their only chance for evolution and spiritual liberation.

If they told the students "hey, we're not yet spiritually realized", then either the students would leave, finding no reason to stay, like in the previous dialogue with "another one fell to the ground", or no one would come in. So they are practically condemned to lie and they condemn those who follow them as well. In fact, the lie begins with the posters and presentation conferences, where amateurs are promised a unique yoga class at the gym, and only after they have lured them in, do they tell them that it's a spiritual school, where they stay for the rest of their lives.

An example of this kind of action is that of the former president of MISA who carries out a lot of courses and camps with the promise that participants will have access to "a new path that leads very quickly and efficiently to ultimate liberation", which suggests that he himself would be such a liberated one, since he presents these paths and has been doing so for some time, so he must have liberated himself several times in the meantime... But if he is not already a liberated one, then he is the ultimate liar! In addition, a big question mark is why the MISA courses last for an indefinite period, in fact unlimited!

Obviously, the presentation web pages of the MISA courses are also full of such insinuations, so it is surprising that there are still people who fall into the MISA trap. But the main culprits for catching the fish are those who spread the nets, not the fish that have to swim anyway...

In conclusion: This speech of Mihai Stoian nevertheless admits that in the paradise of MISA/ATMAN there are a lot of negative things, contrary to the image of divine perfection that is displayed on the painted facade of the sect. But according to him, for the existence of these negative aspects, did not come from "Grieg", the one who shows the painted crow and says that it is a peacock, but anyone else!

Mihai Stoian and Gregorian Bivolaru keep their followers in a state of confusion. A common trick used to control a cult. The followers need to show initiative and be creative while at the same time follow strict orders. No matter what they do, it is never good enough and they get endless lectures why they are not good enough and why they need to practice more because they are stupid. The pressure that Stoian and Bivolaru put on students and teachers is immense which creates fear and even more problems. The only way forward is leaving the cult.

Interviews with ex-Misa followers shows a remarkable picture: Contradicting what MISA/ATMAN/NATHA/TARA/etc is telling their followers, leaving this cult is NOT the end of your spiritual evolution. Ex-followers told that leaving this cult did actually empower them, revealing the truth that you need to learn to walk the path yourself, and that everyone has their own path. Misa followers often need to take oaths on their own health and spiritual evolution not to leave the cult or reveal any secrets. But those that did reveal that their mental and physical health improved and that their spiritual path took new and inspiring turns accelerating their personal evolution.
Teachers in Misa/Atman refer to their students as the kids, and that is exactly how they treat them, as kids so they stay kids. Smart parents treat their kids as grownups, give them responsibilities and praise them for what they do so they learn to grow up. Misa/Atman does exactly the opposite, they don’t want their followers to grown up and become independent because then they would leave the cult. They make sure the kids stay kids so they stay depended and never grow up. So they never praise them, only criticise like Stoian is doing. They never trust anyone to do the right thing, even if someone takes responsibility and trying to lead, immediately Stoian and Bivolaru will jump up and criticise them to take them down so being in the state of a kid again.
Once you leave the cult you experience growing up. You don’t need a guide yelling at you all the time. You discover your inner guide, your soul and the real God who is there to help you and encourage you.
Bivolaru is always describing a God like himself, someone who is constantly judging and punishing people. Trying to force people into being obedient slaves. Being humble is interpreted as being obedient. But really being humble has nothing to do with serving Bivolaru and his fake God. Being humble means you surrender to your real truth, the truth that sets you free, not enslaving you like in Misa.
Ex-followers also describe how the so called spiritual field and exemplifications of the cult keeps you trapped. It induces addictive spiritual and pleasurable states without actually helping you increasing your own spiritual capacity. It is like a drug, it keeps you trapped and by that it is designed to keep people trapped in the cult. You crave for more and more, increasing the addiction, but you never develop your own capacity to reach these states by your own power. Hence it makes students powerless.
The cult is trying to mould everyone into the same ideal follower having the mistaken idea that everyone needs to follow the same path, resulting in robotic behaviour and student parroting each other. Their ways are very forceful, not paying attention to the individual conditions of every student. Their forceful ways actually do a lot of damage and restricting the student so much that it prevents them from finding their own way to liberation.
Ex-followers describe their leaving of the cult as a liberating experience, coming to the understanding that they are actually doing fine and they discover their own unique qualities that were not visible under the regime of the cult. They get back their self-worth and inspiration to walk their own unique path to freedom.