ARD – Seelenfänger (Soul
Catcher – Soul Hunter) Podcast – Toxic Tantra 03.05.2024
Update
https://www.ardaudiothek.de/episode/seelenfaenger/toxic-tantra-update-9/bayern-2/13370377/
Hello, Katja Peisen-Petersen
here again...
Christiane: and Christiane Hawranek.
Katja: We got a lot of feedback from you about Soul Catcher - Toxic Tantra,
about these eight episodes, so we decided to give you another update. There are
some new things.
Christiane: First of all, I produced the podcast in March and then I found out
that the investigation against Gregorian Bivolaru was extended to Germany. There
was a request for legal assistance from France.
Katja: We also know that several women have filed complaints in Germany or are
planning to do so. Yes, and secondly, we've also been contacted by other
dropouts.
Christiane: It was quite hard for them at times and also upsetting to hear
that. But what several people have already told us is that in the end, they
found it healing to hear that and realize, "Hey, I'm not alone and other
women aren't stupid either!" We have another voicemail for you from another
dropout who also wanted us to change her voice a bit.
Voiceover: It's like having a nightmare and now you realize it wasn't a dream.
Katja: Several people have actually told us that at some point they no longer
trusted their own intuition.
And here's this dropout who thought, "Maybe I just dreamed it all up after
all and it didn't really happen." Christiane: Exactly, then she also said,
yes, she had the feeling that "maybe I'm too sensitive? Am I not spiritual
enough?” And this was the case for several people. Nathalie and Liz, for
example, told us very similar things.
Katja: Yes, and Nathalie and Jasper listened to the podcast and then sent us a
voicemail.
Nathalie talks here about episode 3 when I went to the aura reading.
Nathalie: With the Egely device, I really have to laugh, because it's something
very widespread at school.
I don't know how many times I stood in front of that machine.
Christiane: They've also had feedback from other dropouts that the podcast is
helping them and yes, that they're just realizing they're not alone.
Nathalie: I hope it somehow helps even more people who are maybe in the process
of slipping into it, or gives other people who have been in it for a while, a
little bit of confidence to maybe take the step out.
Katja: Some listeners have also asked us if we are interested in more details
about the yoga movement, more memories that they have.
Christiane: The clear answer is YES. So for us, it's not over yet.
Feel free to give us advice, write us, send us voicemails. You can find the
addresses in the show notes.
Both women who have been part of the yoga movement and men, because we are also
interested in the male perspective.
Katja: And also, if you've had experiences in other groups where it seems to
you that there was something strange, something that needs to be investigated,
please contact us. Without a tip from Eva, this Toxic Tantra podcast would
never have been created. So we really depend on your stories, your memories.
Christiane: We've had a few more questions and we'd like to answer a few of
them now.
Katja: Exactly, question number one, quite a few people have asked us that. How
did they actually manage to finance themselves? Gregorian Bivolaru has a lot of
money, because the house where the women stayed was quite poor.
Christiane: Regarding the finances, unfortunately, we have not been able to
find out exactly, because it is quite opaque. But what I can say is that the
French article states that during the raid on Gregorian Bivolaru, €300,000 in
cash was found. And we assume that karma yoga also plays a pretty big role in
this yoga movement in general.
Katja: For example, we know several people who now teach yoga without getting
paid.
Or Liz, for example, from the podcast, who cleaned the school.
Another question we got was how many people were actually arrested besides
Bivolaru?
And yes, there must be many more people behind this system.
Christiane: Well, there were over 40 arrests during the raid and now there are
a total of six people in custody.
So that means Bivolaru himself and then people in his circle. And the
presumption of innocence generally applies.
Katja: How did the ATMAN federation react to the podcast? That was another
question.
Christiane: I haven't had any reaction yet, I can tell. This was our little
update.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Katja: Bye. Goodbye.
{Comments on this podcast:
So the conclusion can be made clearly that the Atman schools are masters in
lying. They do not respect their own teachings of Satya (truth). Their
interpretation of truth is that everything that seems to work for them is
allowed.
They skilfully bypass any critical questioning and are not standing for what
they are doing in this world. True authentic spiritual masters or traditions
would take full responsibility and accountability for their teachings and their
actions because if you are practicing the absolute truth you don’t need to hide
anything.
By contrast their guru is hiding, not taking any responsibility for his actions
and mistakes. Always bypassing any accusation with the demons story. In other
words he is a coward and a weak man not honouring and respecting women and a
disgrace for manhood.
They never show any empathy or compassion for their victims. If you have
issues, serious illnesses or doubts then you are never helped but instead
accused of wrong doing and demonic influences. You are either in or out. And if
you are leaning out then they will push you out if they cannot pull you in
anymore. True authentic spiritual masters or traditions always have empathy and
compassion as their foundation and will never send anyone away.
Misa has never integrated anything in the absolute, in fact they are masters of
relativity, and everything is always black and white, in or out, good or evil.
True authentic spiritual masters or traditions are beyond these childish games
that keep everyone, especially their students, trapped in the endless samsara.
True authentic spiritual masters or traditions will empower you and set you
free and by that give you full control over your own life.
From this we can conclude that this is not a genuine spiritual organisation but
a corrupt “spiritual” business with a fake guru who manipulates everybody for
his own satisfaction.
They try to make everyone believe that everything is within the law and that
every “student” has full control over what they consent to do or not to do. But
they fail to comment on the intense atmosphere of indoctrination and
manipulation that forces their students to belief, behave and act according to
their doctrine. By this they violate the law of freewill and are per definition
not a true spiritual organisation. To put it in their own words, they are
demonic and even an instrument of Satan himself.
The only chance for those in the MISA sect to get out is
to realize THEMSELVES the contradictions within MISA, the contradiction between
what is said at MISA and reality and the violation of moral principles.
Who does not value moral principles, especially on respecting the Truth, has no
chance. It is difficult to fight against "euphoric states" only with
rational arguments, for the arguments must be accepted, the truth must be
accepted however disturbing and troubling it may be.
When the guru says one thing and then says it the other way around, even the
one who trusts him will wonder: which of the two options do I choose? But how
can he not give up either of the contradictory options, because both are from
the All Knowing Guru? The conflict that arises should break the walls of the
prison, provided you accept the idea that the guru is wrong, for he is denying
himself.
The only way is to confront the guru, to confront his many faces and see how
one dissolves the other. If you are subdued by faith in the guru, then losing
faith is liberation. You just have to have the guts to admit he's a charlatan. For
that, you have to really stick to the Truth, beyond appearances. }